Skip to comments.'This baby's death is on your conscience, Putin - damn you for centuries'
Posted on 07/18/2014 3:08:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
Ukraine launched an extraordinary attack on Vladimir Putin tonight by accusing the Russian president of having the blood of one of the infant victims of flight MH17 on his hands by publishing a harrowing picture of the dead baby.
Senior government advisor Anton Gerashchenko today stepped up the rhetorical attack on the Kremlin by posting the picture with a message to Mr Putin saying: 'This baby's death is on your conscience', before adding 'Damn you for centuries!' ....
Shocking new accounts of the carnage at the MH17 crash site have emerged, with eyewitnesses describing distressing scenes of naked bodies strewn across fields as well as countless possessions including children's books and playing cards, slippers, letters and old vinyl records.
Tonight it has emerged looters have descended on the distressing scene, stealing valuable goods from the 298 passengers and crew, who all died in the blast.
Anton Gerashchenko, an advisor to the Kiev government, said: 'I have received information that terrorist death-hunters were collecting not only cash and jewellery of the crashed Boeing dead passengers but also the credit cards of the victims.
The image of the dead infant was published as it emerged that at least 80 children were among the 298 killed when a passenger jet was shot out of the sky at 32,000ft by a surface-to-air missile yesterday.
Two Indonesians aged just three and five who were flying with their parents, as well as three Australian children headed home with their grandfather, numbered among the dead after Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over rebel-held Ukraine yesterday. ....
Those who died on board included three Australian children, aged between eight and 12, who were travelling with their grandfather.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
You have to have a conscience before something like this can be on it.
That leaves out Vladimir Putin.
So there’s already been an investigation?
It was only a matter of time until the insurgents jumped the shark. I think this party is over, not even the Putin pushers on FR must see that the rebels are puppets.
“Barack Obama accused Russia of supplying arms to the separatist rebels” ..............
POT, meet Kettle.
No, I put this possible tragedy squarely on the hands of a failed Anerican leadership. Putin is a cheap opportunist who gets away with murder because no one has the balls to stand up to him-
Heart wrenching pictures, from The Daily Mail, who has the guts to put faces and actual lives to these souls. God bless them all, and special blessings for the young. Taking down this plane was an act of pure evil.
Every war invariably had a silent instigating third party benefactor. It would serve us today to keep that fact in mind.
“POT, meet Kettle.”
Yea, It’s different when we did the same thing in Seria and for that matter Mexico. /s
This is the second reference to “naked victims” I’ve read. I can understand clothes being burnt off, but this seems like more. Just me?
The actions of BJ Bill Jefferson in Serbia (which were horrific, brutal, and reckless) can not be ascribed to the American people any more than we could ascribe the actions of these perpetrators to Russia at large.
This low-level civil war is a power struggle between the European Union and Moscow, and McLame/Obama involvement was unwise to begin with. Now the nation is in chaos, something like this was bound to happen, but the circumstances surrounding it are bizarre.
1) Why was this area not declared a no-fly zone by either the Ukrainian government themselves (who were conducting aerial operations in the region), or our own government, let alone the Europeans? As dumb as flying over Mosul or Syria.
2) Why did the pilot divert the flight into a warzone to avoid mild weather because he felt ‘uncomfortable’ (another idiot pilot from Malaysia Airlines)
3) Whoever manned this BUK System (if it is that), had to be very skilled, so who pulled the trigger?
The third point is the most puzzling. From what I have heard the BUK System interrogates transponders it picks up for flight information which it relays to the ground crew. Commerical jets give out different code than military jets, so why was the missile fired?
Presumable other commercial flights had flown over this region that day and in days prior, so why were they not shot down?
This is not a system that can be operated by a rookie, so if the separatists fired it, it would have to be either a Russian special forces operator or a defecting member of the Ukrainian military. Street thugs would not know where to start.
Somebody operating this system knew what they were doing, got the information relayed that it was a commercial jet, and chose to fire. But why? There is no motive here, and I can’t see how the ‘accident’ story fits unless people were drunk.
The event is tragic, especially since many many children seem to be among the dead. Its made even more distressing by the clownery of Obama giving 40n seconds to the incident before joking about Biden.
“...unless people were drunk.”
Well, we are talking about Russians.
It appears that we have all forgotten about the Aegis incident of Feb 28, 1994 ...
USS Vincennes mistakenly shot down Iran Air Flight 655 Killing all aboard. Vincennes was a state of the art Aegis class cruiser with advanced tracking radar.
Thank you for a refreshing insertion of sanity into a thread that inevitably will act like a flame to the more hysterical moths. Your third point is, indeed, one of the more intriguing mysteries here. And given how these things generally go (early reports are almost invariably false), I wonder how accurate our assumptions are on things like the altitude of the plane, and the capabilities of other AA systems that are strewn throughout Ukraine.
But the fact that a plane was flying over an active civil war/separatist movement is just mind-boggling. Going by the adage to never look for conspiracy where stupidity will suffice, I have to think it was just a monumentally poor decision.
This is the second reference to naked victims Ive read. I can understand clothes being burnt off, but this seems like more. Just me?
When people are thrown from their airplane into a 500 mph slipstream, often their clothes are ripped from their bodies.
People have been blown out of their shoes, I suspect they can have their clothing blown off too.
I’m sure more tragic images are to come. This is the worst air disaster since 9/11 in my opinion. I don’t count the first Malaysian jet because for all we know, that’s still out there somewhere.
The other motivation I could see is if they thought the passenger jet was Ukrainian, in which case there is some motive there for shooting it out of the sky.
Now, I am still assuming the reports of the BUK usage are correct. If it was some other missile battery, then all bets are off. Could have been anything from spilled coke on the control panel to a 14 year old at the joystick.
re question 2: Commercial pilots do not make the decision to “divert” by hundreds of miles. They are ordered to do so by ATC or they request clearance to do so fomr ATC.
re Questin 3: the BUK functions with some interface from early warning and air traffic radars. So the operators know a target is approaching, when, altitude etc
So - who was manning Ukraine’s national ATC and what was their role in directing and communicating with this aircraft presumably via unsecure network? Why did they route that jet over that area when so many commercial routes are well to the south?
Talking pieholes on MEDia keep spouting that Russia is solely responsible because this sector is “controlled” by separatists, the territory is not controlled by Ukraine. BUT - Ukraine certainly does control its national airspace for civil aviation.
The airspace above this area could have been declared by the govt of Ukraine as a no-fly zone and commercial traffic diverted to the south- so why didn’t they do this?
Was the government of Ukraine setting up a provocation (and sending this airliner into harms way), knowing they would reap a political windfall from an incident like this?
If so, there is blame and culpability to share
No, just the pictures of them covered in sheets.
And those villagers didn’t waste anytime looting the site.
Interesting. I can see where that would be the case.
No, the Vincennes systems worked perfectly and the Navy shot down the Iranian Airbus on purpose because the Iranian pilot headed directly for them and ignored all communications and orders to alter course and they were in a war zone.
Maybe if the Iranian pilots hadn’t been too arrogant to respond to the US yankee infidels and had responded to communciations, they would have saved their aircraft and all those lives.
You make a good point. From what I had heard, the pilot had seen bad weather on the usual southern route, so he requested the diversion (which is beyond strange considering the destination).
But you are correct, air traffic control had to sign off on it, and that should be investigated since it is all recorded presumably.
As to a plot by Ukraine to divert planes to an area they might be shot down, that seems like a really stupid plan. They would have to be counting on the Russian separatist group being insane, because if BUK was used, it was an intentionl shooting down of a commercial jet undoubtedly. That is IF it was the BUK System.
Odd I haven’t seen them outraged at all the Ukrainian children they Ukrainian government has killed since this conflict started. Selective outrage?
or the separatists would have to think this was an IL-76 headed their way, not a commercial airliner
Well that one point is valid..the rebels do not have a civilian air traffic control so did not directed the flight over this area..
the air traffic is controlled by Ukraine..
but both Russian and Ukraine because the do have aircraft control would be aware in was an airline and Wan would either gain by knowing downing one?
So that point back to the Rebel because they would be the only ones that would not have an traffic control and so not know what was flying over and stupid enough to shoot at an unknown aircraft flying over.
Now would be a good time for Putin fanbois to stop infesting FR.
I don’t think anybody really wants Putin.
But as an alternative to the potential Lizzie Warren v. NJFatboy matchup in 2016, he’s an appealing write-in candidate.
But a commercial aircraft would reply, would it not? They communicate with the transponders aboard aircraft, so if the transponder was on, it would respond to such an interrogation. Encountering SAMs cannot be a strange occurrence to commerical aircraft, I would guess the plane was interrogated by other Ukrainian air defense systems as it passed over the country.
If it did not have information on any commercial flights approaching, then that raises the question of why it fired on this particular flight. It cannot have been the first that passed over the area.
You’re just assuming that. If they diverted from their usual flight path then they were somewhere they didn’t usually fly.
So, is it confirmed this BUK was stolen from the Ukrainian military?
Actually, Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down on July 3, 1988.
BTTT for the photos of the poor souls who lost their lives. Prayers up.
“Actually, Iran Air Flight 655 was shot down on July 3, 1988.”
And that December, Pan Am 103 was destroyed over Lockerbie. IMO, that was Iran’s revenge.
Why would any competent leader place or leave incompetents in charge of the use of missiles capable of bringing down commercial jets? How reckless can one get?
It amazes me that there are folks here in this country who actually admire Putin. The guy is an incompetent thug. Following more than a decade of his incompetent leadership, the Russian economy remains a pathetic joke. And, a year from now it will be even more anemic. What a great leader!
All these innocent people are now dead because Putin is a reckless, incompetent jerk. It sickens me to see Americans rising to his defense.
Just a few minutes' difference and we could have been talking a horrible tragedy with around 455 people dead, since SQ 333 is an Airbus A380-800, the world's largest operational airliner.
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