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'Honest mistake' leads to Philly mother facing three years on gun charge
Fox News ^ | July 16, 2014 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 07/18/2014 4:31:38 PM PDT by RC one

A Philadelphia mother of two is facing three years in prison after she mistakenly entered New Jersey, where she was stopped for a traffic violation and found in possession of a handgun loaded with hollow-point bullets.

Shaneen Allen, 27, was pulled over in New Jersey’s Atlantic County after making an unsafe lane change in the early morning hours of Oct. 1. Allen then told the officer that she had the .380 Bersa Thunder handgun, as well as a concealed carry permit for Pennsylvania, unaware that her permit was not transferable to The Garden State.

“The gun charge was not proper to begin with at all,” her attorney, Evan Nappen, told FoxNews.com. “She made an honest mistake.”

Allen, who has no criminal record, was later charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets. If convicted, the illegal possession of the handgun is a second-degree felony punishable by a mandatory minimum sentence of three years in prison.

“The officer knew there was a gun there, she was completely honest and open,” he continued. “There’s no aggravating factors in this case; she’s a single mom of two, working in the medical field who was robbed twice and that’s what inspired her to get a gun license in the first place.”

Allen, who could not be reached for comment early Wednesday, had only owned the gun for a week prior to the arrest, Nappen said, and purchased it for her protection after being robbed twice in the past year.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; newjersey; secondamendment; severalthreadshere
FUNJ.
1 posted on 07/18/2014 4:31:38 PM PDT by RC one
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To: RC one

Law abiding citizen one moment, felon the next.


2 posted on 07/18/2014 4:34:24 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: RC one

If she was coming in across our southern international border they would have waved her on through.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 4:37:21 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: umgud

She should declare herself to be an undocumented democrat....


4 posted on 07/18/2014 4:38:10 PM PDT by notaliberal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle,)
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To: umgud

all part of their plan.


5 posted on 07/18/2014 4:39:58 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

“...shall not be infringed.”


6 posted on 07/18/2014 4:40:30 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: RC one

What a shame. Here we have a hardworking, law-abiding young mother. No one was hurt. She was honest. And now she’s facing three years?!

Meanwhile, so many criminals that are real and dangerous walk free. I wonder if the people who robbed her were ever caught.


7 posted on 07/18/2014 4:42:22 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: RC one
That idiot prosecutor should never have charged this.

Now, the lady who was robbed twice is about to be raped by the state.

8 posted on 07/18/2014 4:42:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: RC one

I don’t know in my CCW class we talked a lot about reciprocity and making sure you know the laws where you’re going. And we were in big ol’ AZ with other states multiple hours drive away. I understand it can be tough when you’re dealing with back east states that so often have stupid gun laws, but that’s just more reason to be more careful.


9 posted on 07/18/2014 4:48:10 PM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: discostu

you ever seen the traffic in that area? It is too easy to miss an exit and end up in New Jersey. This lady is going to do three years for missing an exit.


10 posted on 07/18/2014 4:51:30 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

Forget prison, I doubt this will happen. She will be spending at least $20 thousand on lawyers (my guess)


11 posted on 07/18/2014 4:54:23 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: RC one

Unsafe lane change. Improper left turn. Failure to signal. Seat belt law. All designed to give them a reason to pull everybody over.

You people demanded safety and you got the nanny State in all it’s glory.

Everybody must be stopped periodically and have their name run through the data base.


12 posted on 07/18/2014 4:54:41 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: RC one

Gotta be smart. And she didn’t get pulled over for missing an exit. It’s unfortunate, and certainly shouldn’t face 3 years. But that’s the region, another good reason not to live there.


13 posted on 07/18/2014 4:59:29 PM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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To: dennisw
I always thought there was this thing called the Full Faith and Credit Clause. I guess that right is only for homosexuals, not for gun owners.

Article IV, Section 1:

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.[5]

14 posted on 07/18/2014 5:05:35 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

A good point. I have not heard this clause mentioned for years!


15 posted on 07/18/2014 5:08:01 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: RC one
Not unlike the US Marine in Mexico, and this is inside the country.
They should both at most get a warning and nothing else.
People get less than three years for serious offenses.
After all they did not threaten anyone and had no plans to do so.

16 posted on 07/18/2014 5:08:30 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: RC one

Sad and excessive, but on the other hand if you are going to carry heat ya needs to know da rules.


17 posted on 07/18/2014 5:11:30 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: BitWielder1

I got stuck on the brige to Canada by accident once and could not turn around due to construction. I was stuck in customs for about an hour while they searched my car with dogs and the whole bit. They couldn’t grasp that I didn’t have any passport or documentation and that I was there because the traffic was horrendous thanks to road construction in Detroit and they were quite threatening about it actually. I hate Canada as much as Jersey to be honest. Friends to the north my Arse.


18 posted on 07/18/2014 5:13:33 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

full faith and credit clause. She was granted the right in Pennsylvania. Every other state is required to recognize that right.


19 posted on 07/18/2014 5:14:35 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Sad and excessive, but on the other hand if you are going to carry heat ya needs to know da rules.

True dat. I got stopped in nj several years ago for speeding and the cop axed if I had any weapons in my vehicle, and I told him no.

My S&W 38 was my business and it is legal in PA but not nj and I wasn't going to do time for turning myself in.

I always carry {except when going into places that have metal detectors}, therefore I avoid airports, gummint buildings, schools and any business that posts no gun signs.

20 posted on 07/18/2014 5:20:22 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: umgud

tyrants create “laws” to turn honest folks into criminals so they have a hook to pursue them on.


21 posted on 07/18/2014 5:25:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: RC one

Since I used to get pulled over and searched by the U.S. almost ever time coming from Mexico, I used to make sure that I had a bottle of Ruso Negro and a bag of ice to make drinks, as I sat on the concrete wall and watched Customs and their dogs search my car.


22 posted on 07/18/2014 5:27:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Sad and excessive, but on the other hand if you are going to carry heat ya needs to know da rules.

The only rules there should be for firearms:

Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.

Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.

Keep you finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.

Keep the weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

Know your target and what lies beyond.

...

If she didn't violate any of those......I don't see a problem.

23 posted on 07/18/2014 5:35:14 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
but on the other hand if you are going to carry heat ya needs to know da rules.

The rules are in the constitution, the State is out of line.

24 posted on 07/18/2014 5:46:29 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: umgud

A simple sign “Welcome to New Jersey” can turn any of us in to felons. Even without a handgun you’re a felon merely possessing a chunk of lead.

Disgusting abuse of citizens by New Jersey.

And just remember this next time that execrable Chris Christie is held up as the savior of the republicans and a potential presidential candidate.


25 posted on 07/18/2014 5:57:03 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: RC one

Gun owners like this woman should do what the gays have done that is use the courts to get every state to recognize other states gun permits.


26 posted on 07/18/2014 5:58:48 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: RC one

Correction: She was granted the PRIVILEGE. Rights require no license/approval from gov’t

At least that’s the way it used to work, when we were a Constitutional Republic


27 posted on 07/18/2014 6:06:27 PM PDT by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: RC one
Faulty writing by Fox News. I think they meant that she mistakenly entered New Jersey WITH A GUN AND HOLLOW POINT BULLETS.

If she was in Atlantic County she did not make a mistake and wind up in New Jersey as Atlantic County does not border Pennsylvania (or any other state).

28 posted on 07/18/2014 6:14:39 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: RC one

The refusal of some states to recognize firearms permits issued by another is ripe for challenge in the federal courts I would think.


29 posted on 07/18/2014 6:28:29 PM PDT by SayNoToDems (Will the dancing Hitlers please wait in the wings? We're only seeing singing Hitlers.)
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To: ansel12
Since I used to get pulled over and searched by the U.S. almost ever time coming from Mexico, I used to make sure that I had a bottle of Ruso Negro and a bag of ice to make drinks, as I sat on the concrete wall and watched Customs and their dogs search my car.

Heck, you don't have to come from Mexico. I've had dogs sniff my pickup just coming north from El Paso at the ICE station on my way to Oil Patch city.

30 posted on 07/18/2014 6:34:43 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: RC one

FUNJ and your self serving JBT’s who will justify their stunt, at the expense of another American.


31 posted on 07/18/2014 7:22:08 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: umgud

Another example of why we need a nationwide reciprocity law. Good thing she wasn’t on the Mexican border (assuming there is one).


32 posted on 07/18/2014 7:28:31 PM PDT by Boomer One
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To: RC one

I’d bet dollars to doughnut holes that they used illegally obtained CCW information from other states to flag her vehicle in hopes of finding a gun in her possession.


33 posted on 07/18/2014 7:32:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: CedarDave

What no one has caught yet is that I could sit there on the wall mixing drink after drink in front of the border Patrol, and then when they were finished, drive away.

The Border Patrol was not involved with or interested with state law.


34 posted on 07/18/2014 8:09:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Correct.


35 posted on 07/18/2014 8:34:34 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: RC one

Well, if she has been robbed twice then she knows that she didn’t get hurt. Therefore, she doesn’t need a gun. //SARCASM


36 posted on 07/18/2014 9:15:22 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: RC one; All

Why is INTENT used to criminalize someone with fertilizer (bomb making equipment) but this same rule is not applied to someone with a gun who has been criminalized in TWICE in the past year?

F NJ.


37 posted on 07/19/2014 2:01:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: discostu

Smart would be police not arresting her or the prosecutors not charging her. THAT would be smart.


38 posted on 07/19/2014 2:03:22 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

If this is not CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT, them what is?


39 posted on 07/19/2014 2:05:01 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: umgud
Law abiding citizen one moment, felon the next.

Only for a specific set of circumstances.

If you can believe folks (and I do), there is no such thing of a law abiding citizen anymore - they have so many laws that each of us commits multiple federal felonies each day without knowing it. Tis is an example of what can happen to any of us should the eye of the government fall upon us - they already have collected ample evidence of our "crimes" and can take us down "legally".

40 posted on 07/19/2014 3:50:57 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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-—I've always felt that way also , but unfortunately “Full faith and credit” doesn't apply to many everyday rules and regs,--

-- medical credentials, bar associations (lawyers) engineering certification, cosmetology, etc.,—not even drivers licenses, which are made legal in all states only by a compact between the states—

41 posted on 07/19/2014 7:52:32 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Repeat Offender; Las Vegas Ron

True it is wrong, but legal permit holders have to set the standard. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. It happened to me once, had a 44mag and I was in Joplin, Mo with an Ok. permit.


42 posted on 07/19/2014 8:01:38 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They’re government employees, we already know they’re not smart. Which is why we civilians need to be.


43 posted on 07/19/2014 12:45:32 PM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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