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Mystery Behind Giant Hole in Siberia Clearer as 2nd Discovered
The Moscow Times ^ | Jul. 22 2014

Posted on 07/22/2014 4:57:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway

The craters, believed to be formed by an underground explosion, are now filled with snow and ice. Reindeer herders in Russia's Far North have discovered yet another mysterious giant hole about 30 kilometers away from a similar one found days earlier.

Located in the permafrost of the subarctic Siberian region of Yamal, which means "end of the earth" in the local Nenets language, both craters appear to have been formed in recent years and have icy lakes at their bases.

Scientists who examined the first hole theorized that it could have been created when a mixture of water, salt and gas exploded underground, the Siberian Times news site reported.

The area, which has one of Russia's richest deposits of natural gas, was covered by sea about 10,000 years ago, and vast salt deposits were left behind.

"Global warming, causing an alarming melt in the ice under the soil, released gas causing an effect like the popping of a Champagne cork," the news report said, citing an expert at the Subarctic Scientific Research Center.

The first hole is estimated to be about 50 meters wide and 70 meters deep, with water from melting permafrost cascading down its sides into the icy deposit below.

The second hole is "exactly" like the first one, but "much smaller," local lawmaker Mikhail Lapsui told the Interfax-Ural news agency. "Inside the crater itself, snow can be seen."


TOPICS: Travel; Weather; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; craters; russia; siberia
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1 posted on 07/22/2014 4:57:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Underground nuclear tests?


2 posted on 07/22/2014 4:58:57 PM PDT by expat2
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To: nickcarraway
"Global warming, causing an alarming melt in the ice under the soil, released gas causing an effect like the popping of a Champagne cork," the news report said, citing an expert at the Subarctic Scientific Research Center.

In other words they aren't really sure so they used the catch all phrase.
3 posted on 07/22/2014 5:01:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: expat2

Aliens, zeroing in their scopes...


4 posted on 07/22/2014 5:02:43 PM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: expat2
Now the Chicken Little Climate Loons are blaming underground explosions on global warming.

Dateline next week....... Same group will blame earth AGW for a hotter sun. :)

5 posted on 07/22/2014 5:03:29 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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Why would there be gas in the permafrost? Could there be old plant matter? How can there be plant matter if there is permafrost?


6 posted on 07/22/2014 5:04:20 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%i)
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To: catfish1957

Global warming my rear end. THE FOREIGNERS just securing a place to hide after Lois’s email’s are recovered.


7 posted on 07/22/2014 5:06:39 PM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: expat2

http://digital-art-gallery.com/oid/74/546x736_13106_Infernal_Wyrm_2d_fantasy_worm_monster_picture_image_digital_art.jpg


8 posted on 07/22/2014 5:07:04 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: nickcarraway

The writer just couldn’t resist blaming it on global warming!


9 posted on 07/22/2014 5:09:00 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: nickcarraway
a mixture of water, salt and gas exploded

Does water explode? Not usually.
Does salt explode? Not usually.
Does "gas" explode? Well, that sorta depends ...

10 posted on 07/22/2014 5:10:37 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: nickcarraway

Giant Radioactive moles.


11 posted on 07/22/2014 5:12:35 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things.)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...
Thanks nickcarraway.

12 posted on 07/22/2014 5:13:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: nickcarraway

It’s called a permafrost pingo. They are very common there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pingo

New pictures of the hole in Yamal – and Pingo was its name-o
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/18/new-pictures-of-the-hole-in-yamal-and-pingo-was-its-name-o/

A flip-flop on Arctic permafrost thaws – actually a net cooling rather than a warming
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/18/a-flip-flop-on-arctic-permafrost-thaws-actually-a-net-cooling-rather-than-a-warming/


13 posted on 07/22/2014 5:14:25 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: cripplecreek

Probably methane hydrate same as found on the bottom of the ocean.

Reaches a saturation point then pop!


14 posted on 07/22/2014 5:15:40 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: dsrtsage
Methane from permafrost thawing is a known process..

The permafrost begins inches or feet below the surface. Growth of vegetation, moss, lichens, over the summer warming, then freezes and the following season new growth flourishes over the top of the old.

So yes, there are layers and layers and layers of decaying or partly decayed matter which during the seasonal thaws releases methane, or natural gas which sometimes can ignite from lightning or other natural or man made causes.

To explode, conditions have to be right, perhaps with a cave or underground grotto with the right mixture of air and gas and a ignition source.

It could happen, but whether it happened here requires research. It does not look like much of a explosion to me..

More like a ground fart.

15 posted on 07/22/2014 5:16:22 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yup....that’s it .......


16 posted on 07/22/2014 5:18:38 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat

Oh, they’re giant wormholes?


17 posted on 07/22/2014 5:19:36 PM PDT by expat2
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To: nickcarraway

giant gophers


18 posted on 07/22/2014 5:20:02 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: nickcarraway

earth zit


19 posted on 07/22/2014 5:20:13 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: nickcarraway

Eons ago, pressure of gases built to such a extreme level that giant sandworms were blasted out of underground Siberia all the way to Arrakis. I’m reasonably certain of it.


20 posted on 07/22/2014 5:22:31 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: morphing libertarian

Richard Gere is quite interest in those gophers.


21 posted on 07/22/2014 5:23:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: expat2

Just having a bit of fun...

Hydrazine has the correct answer,,,and links..


22 posted on 07/22/2014 5:23:31 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: driftdiver

only the tiny baby ones


23 posted on 07/22/2014 5:23:41 PM PDT by morphing libertarian (Advanced technological development.)
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To: dsrtsage

Re: “Why would there be gas in the permafrost? Could there be old plant matter? How can there be plant matter if there is permafrost?”

That’s a really good insight.

However, I was under the general impression that almost all natural gas forms from marine organisms, not from plant life.

I had an instant thought, also, but in a different direction.

It’s hard to believe these craters are forming for the very first time in history.

Thus, there might be many more of these craters, now filled in over thousands of years, in this region.

If there are more ancient craters out there, I’ll guess each one might be a treasure chest for paleontology and archeology.


24 posted on 07/22/2014 5:28:37 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: nickcarraway

If they can find the third we will know with certainty that the earth is really a bowling ball.


25 posted on 07/22/2014 5:32:00 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Cold Heat
There are interesting geological processes at work in Siberia all the time. The Patomsky Crater is interesting. It's like a cold volcano that erupted solid rock. The nutcases are sure it was UFOs but there are also clear signs of a molten eruption on the site as well.

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26 posted on 07/22/2014 5:36:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: zeestephen

“there might be many more of these craters, now filled in over thousands of years, in this region.”

Just look at the picture background. See all those roundish bodies of water? The same thing just eroded and filled to the top with water.

The aerial view on google earth shows even more.


27 posted on 07/22/2014 5:37:12 PM PDT by wrench
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To: expat2

Yep.


28 posted on 07/22/2014 5:42:57 PM PDT by Wicket (1 Peter 3:15 , Romans 5:5-8)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Could you send this info to the idiots in the media so they’ll stop with the globull crap? ;)


29 posted on 07/22/2014 5:43:16 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: nickcarraway

So much for the mole people theory.


30 posted on 07/22/2014 5:43:18 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: nickcarraway

The Siberian Times published on July 17 with a series of really interesting photos:

http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/first-pictures-from-inside-the-crater-at-the-end-of-the-world/?comm_order=best#comments


31 posted on 07/22/2014 5:44:02 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: nickcarraway

Hangar for Malaysian flight MH370


32 posted on 07/22/2014 5:44:41 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: nickcarraway

Valerie Jarrett’s spawning place.


33 posted on 07/22/2014 5:45:37 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: nickcarraway
The Nenet people who live there are ORIENTAL ASIANS, as opposed to Caucasian Asians: Indians, Pakistanis. The Nenet look Chinese but...one would have to see the shape of their nostrils to know that.

From the Internet: The Yamal Peninsula (Russian: полуо́стров Яма́л) is located in Yamal-Nenets autonomous district of northwest Siberia, Russia.
It extends roughly 700 km (435 mi) and is bordered principally by the Kara Sea, Baydaratskaya Bay on the west, and by the Gulf of Ob on the east.

In the language of its indigenous inhabitants, the Nenets, "Yamal" means "End of the Land."

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BRRRRRR!!

34 posted on 07/22/2014 5:48:10 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: informavoracious
Valerie Jarrett’s spawning place.

Good one!

35 posted on 07/22/2014 5:49:54 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cripplecreek; Salamander
"The nutcases are sure it was UFOs..."


36 posted on 07/22/2014 5:54:15 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: expat2
Oh, they’re giant wormholes?

....or maybe "Grabboids?" Somebody call Burt Gummer!

37 posted on 07/22/2014 5:54:58 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Resettozero

Indulging in the spice again?


38 posted on 07/22/2014 5:56:00 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: TribalPrincess2U

I don’t want to contact them and let them know, but I’m sure there is a FReeper or three that would love to do it.

Their contact info:
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/contact_us/


39 posted on 07/22/2014 6:03:02 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: nickcarraway

Nazi saucer bases.


40 posted on 07/22/2014 6:03:43 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: nickcarraway
Death ray?
41 posted on 07/22/2014 6:08:05 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Zeppo
Indulging in the spice again?

Helps me BEND logic, knowledge, conjecture, and threads like this so that I can navigate from one quadrant of FR to another FR triad safely and then reset to zero before getting banned. Has worked every voyage so far.
42 posted on 07/22/2014 6:10:14 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Jack Hydrazine

PINGO!!


43 posted on 07/22/2014 6:13:43 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: nickcarraway

Earth zits.


44 posted on 07/22/2014 6:16:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: expat2

No, that’s not how that would look.


45 posted on 07/22/2014 6:16:55 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Does water explode? Not usually.”

Well,,,, Sassafras trees hold a lot of water. One in my backyard was struck by lightning. The water exploded into steam. Blew the tree up real good!


46 posted on 07/22/2014 6:20:38 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: expat2

Maybe it is simpler than that. Now there may be two missing lone hunters not in regular contact with others.

Nice day hunting and trekking, nice flat camp spot,dry,with a... undetectable gas leak...now, for that evening fire...a match, or a magnesium and flint, a little cotton ball and boom, no more hunter and only a big hole to mark the spot. NO?


47 posted on 07/22/2014 6:23:55 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: nickcarraway

“Global Warming” - yeah lets tell the Americans its is global warming to nudge them into destroying their economy some more.


48 posted on 07/22/2014 6:52:38 PM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Pingo? Sounds like a dance you do before the watusi and after the mashed potato.


49 posted on 07/22/2014 6:58:03 PM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: expat2

#17: DUNE on earth?


50 posted on 07/22/2014 7:01:16 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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