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Meriam Ibrahim lands in Italy, on way to US; Update: Meets with Pope Francis
hotair ^ | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 07/24/2014 6:36:45 AM PDT by Morgana

There’s plenty of bad news already coming over the transom today and we’ll get to all of it, but one story we’ve followed here has a happy ending. Meriam Yahia Ibrahim, the woman sentenced to death in Sudan for her Christian faith, has left Khartoum and landed in Rome, greeted by Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi at the airport. Italy helped the US mediate her release with Sudanese officials in a quiet effort launched a few weeks ago:

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion
KEYWORDS: asylum; flee; meriamibrahaim; popefrancis

1 posted on 07/24/2014 6:36:45 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana; DonkeyBonker; Ellendra; Diana in Wisconsin

Thanks for posting this - best news I’ve seen in MONTHS.


2 posted on 07/24/2014 6:38:23 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Morgana

I stated on a thread back when this issue first came up that this would be the eventual resolution. Was accused of being overly optimistic.

Very glad to be right!


3 posted on 07/24/2014 6:40:27 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

bttt


4 posted on 07/24/2014 6:42:05 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: Morgana

What is so weird is, I was just thinking about this woman yesterday. Wondering what had happened to her. I am very happy for her and her family.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 6:45:03 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: knittnmom

Amen!


6 posted on 07/24/2014 6:55:38 AM PDT by sorrisi (CAP spending and TRADE Congress!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sherman Logan
I stated on a thread back when this issue first came up that this would be the eventual resolution. Was accused of being overly optimistic.

Very glad to be right!

I'm glad you're right too.
This the the FR. ANY optimism toward anything middle Eastern or Muslim is to be fiercely deflated. Our good five years in Saudi Arabia with ARAMCO are either ignored or thought of as simply an anomaly.

7 posted on 07/24/2014 6:58:50 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Morgana

Thanks be to God.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 7:09:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He shall defend the needy, he shall save the children of the poor, and crush the oppressor.)
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To: Morgana

Excellent news! However,while she’s in Europe she’d better be very careful....the place is crawling with savages who’d love to kill her for being an “infidel”.


9 posted on 07/24/2014 7:26:41 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Morgana

Any chance we can get the Italians to gain freedom for our Marine in Mexico?


10 posted on 07/24/2014 7:26:58 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Close the border!!!)
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To: Sherman Logan
Was accused of being overly optimistic.

Her next challenge is to escape Europe with her head still attached to her shoulders.

11 posted on 07/24/2014 7:28:46 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Morgana
LANDING AT CAMPINO AIRPORT


WITH POPE FRANCIS

12 posted on 07/24/2014 7:30:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Excellent news! However,while she’s in Europe she’d better be very careful....the place is crawling with savages who’d love to kill her for being an “infidel”.

She can, as MANY Christians do, wear a cross around her neck. If she wears a crucifix, then she will be labeled as a "Catholic."

MOST Europeans could care less. They really do have their own problems to deal with and really don't care that some stray foreigner wears a cross/crucifix around her neck.

13 posted on 07/24/2014 7:34:15 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: anoldafvet
Any chance we can get the Italians to gain freedom for our Marine in Mexico?

As I've said before the Mexicans want MONEY, not their useless pesos but YANKEE DOLLARS, for their prisoner.

The right folks have to be BRIBED. I lived in Mexico City for two years when I was young and BRIBERY is the grease for moving EVERYthing.
ALWAYS has been; ALWAYS will be.

!!!!!!!

YOO-HOO, isn't ANYone listening in the WH????

14 posted on 07/24/2014 7:39:42 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
MOST Europeans could care less.

Yes,most Europeans....probably *all* Europeans...could care less what her religion is.However not everyone *living* in Europe is "European" (if ya catch my drift).And a noticeable percentage of such individuals....well,you know.

15 posted on 07/24/2014 7:51:51 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Morgana

Hallelujah, praise God in heaven!


16 posted on 07/24/2014 8:04:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: defconw

‘What is so weird is, I was just thinking about this woman yesterday. Wondering what had happened to her.’

Same exact thing happened to me. All of a sudden she popped into my mind, & I wondered why there had been no updates lately.

Now this. What blessed news. Thank God.


17 posted on 07/24/2014 10:42:45 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

It’s not just me then. Awesome!


18 posted on 07/24/2014 10:49:31 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Morgana

Yea!


19 posted on 07/24/2014 10:54:29 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Yes,most Europeans....probably *all* Europeans...could care less what her religion is.However not everyone *living* in Europe is "European" (if ya catch my drift).And a noticeable percentage of such individuals....well,you know.

The "former colonies" want a better life so the Algerians want to live in France, the Jamaicans want to live in Britain and so on.

SOME European countries did little or no colonizing, SO the WERE no "former" colonists so some European countries. I don't think that the Scandinavians, Germans or Swiss did much colonizing by the sword back in those days of the European colonization.

One side note: the Italians were in Libya for some time. The result was that Moamar Khadafi had BEAUTIFUL Gucci scarves around his wretched neck. He dressed a la italiano. That was the ONLY even remotely positive think about him.

20 posted on 07/24/2014 2:51:17 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
SOME European countries did little or no colonizing

I suspect that you're unfamiliar with the workings of the European Union.As you probably know there are at least several EU countries that have huge moslem populations...Britain,France and the Netherlands being just three.What you seem to have forgotten is that being a citizen of an EU country...or being officially "settled" in one...means that you can travel freely to any other country just a US citizen can travel to...and settle in...any of the 50 states or DC.So while Italy may not have many moslems *living* there if some moslem scumbag in Saudi issues a "fatwa" saying that this woman must die a scumbag disciple in Britain,for example,can hop a plane to Rome and three hours later she's had her throat slit.

21 posted on 07/24/2014 3:02:09 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I suspect that you're unfamiliar with the workings of the European Union.As you probably know there are at least several EU countries that have huge moslem populations...Britain,France and the Netherlands being just three.What you seem to have forgotten is that being a citizen of an EU country...or being officially "settled" in one...means that you can travel freely to any other country just a US citizen can travel to...and settle in...any of the 50 states or DC.So while Italy may not have many moslems *living* there if some moslem scumbag in Saudi issues a "fatwa" saying that this woman must die a scumbag disciple in Britain,for example,can hop a plane to Rome and three hours later she's had her throat slit.

People in Europe CAN and do travel all over Europe. If this woman is a Saudi citizen then she MUST have a European visa to travel there. Her Saudi passport might not even be good because ...and you'll LOVE this...their passport photos are taken with THEIR BLACK VEIL ON. I kid you not. I witnessed it! Saudi WOMEN get their passport photos taken WITH VEIL ON.

Muslims from EVERYWHERE MAY enter the KSA for Haj and I don't believe that they need a visa. It wasn't obligatory 40 years ago; maybe it is now.

*HOWEVER, there aren't any places to hide in the KSA once the haj is over.
*There are no jobs for them. Even Philippine nannies need permission and visas to work there. EVERY foreigner needs those things.


*Being a Muslim doesn't require the knowledge to speak Arabic either. It's just a faith, NOT a culture.
*It's no place to run and hide in the KSA. His/her bones would be soon found in the Nefud Desert, all dried up and sun blanched...not pretty.

Travel to work in Saudi is VERY SEVERELY MONITORED otherwise and then ONLY possible with Saudi permission and visas.

There are NO "tourist visas" there but the Red Sea ship tourists MAY get off the boat and go, escorted, of course, into town.
Once they see what the KSA is, they RUN BACK to their beautiful, clean, white ship to SAIL AWAY.

Also, I DO know that there are also PLENTY of mullahs and imams in Europe with the very same fatwah power. A Muslim doesn't HAVE to have a fatwah from a Saudi imam. ANY imam would do, even an American one.

I wonder if the American Muslim movement has imams who issue fatwahs.

22 posted on 07/24/2014 3:26:41 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain
Somehow we're not communicating here.My position,put simply,is that Meriam could well be in danger while in Europe thanks to the huge number of radical savages living there (but not necessarily in Italy) because a savage in a black dress in Saudi...Yemen...London...or Detroit has declared her to be an infidel who must die.

And the ease with which a savage living in London (or Stockholm...or Brussels) can travel to Rome is part of the reason why I have this fear.

23 posted on 07/24/2014 3:44:38 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Somehow we're not communicating here.My position,put simply,is that Meriam could well be in danger while in Europe thanks to the huge number of radical savages living there (but not necessarily in Italy) because a savage in a black dress in Saudi...Yemen...London...or Detroit has declared her to be an infidel who must die.

I go to Europe every year for WEEKS and I love it there. I have been EVERYWHERE and I loved it everywhere. I didn't notice too many savages except those on the Italian streets driving. It's just the way they drive and there is nothing personal in their madman/woman method of driving.

My first cousin was a priest who lived in Rome seven years and HE had to drive like an Italian or get run over/down by the other drivers.

The Muslim women from the middle east don't HAVE to dress with the long black dresses when they come to the West. If they do it's because they want to. And who can blame them from what THEY consider comfortable?

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And the ease with which a savage living in London (or Stockholm...or Brussels) can travel to Rome is part of the reason why I have this fear.

NO country or faith has a corner on savagery. People have killed in the name of religion for as long as there have been warriors dying for their king, country, faith, whatever. You know that.

The Crusades were the last time that the Christians killed en masse for their faith.

I remember that many priests died for their faith at the hands of the FIRST Americans, the Indians, mistakenly thought to have come from India, but actually came over the Bering Straight and were Oriental Asians.

Folks fled England because THEY were being persecuted for their faith. Now who were they?? Oh yes, the Pilgrims. Thanksgiving...

The Irish were killed by the British for the "wearing of the green," which was MORE than just a color. It was their insistence on their faith as well. The fighting continued over the split of Ireland into NORTHERN IRELAND and the Republic of Ireland. They are STILL two countries today.

We tend to think that the killing for faith is the bailiwick of Islam. No, it's the bailiwick of intolerance. THAT is one of the major reasons why AMERICA was founded.

India has had THOUSANDS of years of infighting over faith. The Sikhs were persecuted for centuries. When Muslims went to India there was fighting. When Christians went to India there was fighting.

Side note about India: St. Thomas, the Doubter, did go to India and his legacy: Catholics in India, MANY of whom have the name THOMAS. God works in mysterious ways.

Also there ARE priests, a vicar and reverends in Saudi Arabia, ministering to the ARAMCONs spiritual needs. However, holy men, clerics, from other faiths are not permitted in Saudi Arabia so the Saudi government calls them SPECIAL TEACHERS. They all lived and worked in our camps right along with the rest of the ARAMCONS.

I started my routine of DAILY Mass in Ras Tanura, Saudi Arabia, because of my Muslim boss. My co-worker, a Catholic Indian, was the one who objected to it, even though I made up the time at my lunch hour. THANK you, Mohammad Hussein, for telling Harry and me that: "God is number one. There is always time for God. 'CloudMountain' (not my real name, of course) can go to pray whenever she wants to."
I attend daily Mass even today.

24 posted on 07/24/2014 4:13:08 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Morgana

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3184659/posts?page=1


25 posted on 07/24/2014 4:16:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cloudmountain
The Muslim women from the middle east don't HAVE to dress with the long black dresses when they come to the West. If they do it's because they want to.

and get beaten savagely for it.

26 posted on 07/24/2014 4:20:47 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL
The Muslim women from the middle east don't HAVE to dress with the long black dresses when they come to the West. If they do it's because they want to.

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and get beaten savagely for it.

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I guess that YOU don't really know how things work over there. All marriages are arranged by families. Families pair up their children and the MATRIARCHS do the matchmaking.

"Done deals" are even arranged when children are born. Neither males nor females have any choice when it comes to marriage. That's been the custom WAY before Islam, Christianity or even Judaism.

The families are around each other all the time and if a woman got beaten up by her husband there would be HELL to pay.

Women marry into FAMILIES; they don't just "marry a guy." Women move into the husband's FAMILY HOME. She sleeps with the other women, after an appropriate "honeymoon time" (whatever that may be).

Women DO hold the family honor in their behavior and if HER HUSBAND beat her HIS family would be in DEEP DO-DO.
There WOULD be personal, family and tribal retribution.

The person who beat her would be "beaten savagely for it." The culture, much as you may loathe it, does NOT hate their women and does not beat their women for their misdemeanors.
Of course, there are aholes in every culture so I am sure that there IS one ahole who WANTS to beat his wife. The wife's protection would probably come from her mother-in-law and the entire family would give the husband holy heck for beating his wife.

The husband's family would lose MUCH honor having a beaten-up wife showing up with the rest of the family women (grandmothers, aunts, sisters, cousins, female in-laws, etc.).

Please try not to assume ALL HATEFUL things about a culture that you don't care for.
REMEMBER, their culture came WAY, WAY before their faith.

God bless you and yours.

27 posted on 07/24/2014 6:52:22 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain; Morgana

The topic was Europe and whether women are under pressure to wear veils/burqa’s and the answer is of course they are.


28 posted on 07/24/2014 7:16:22 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL
The topic was Europe and whether women are under pressure to wear veils/burqa’s and the answer is of course they are.

Baloney.

29 posted on 07/24/2014 7:25:11 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Morgana

AMEN!!!!!!


30 posted on 07/24/2014 10:17:05 PM PDT by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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