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US new-home sales plummet in June
Yahoo Finanace ^ | 7/24/2014 | AP

Posted on 07/24/2014 8:09:04 AM PDT by wbill

WASHINGTON (AP) — Sales of new U.S. homes plunged in June, a sign that real estate continues to be a weak spot in the economy.

New home sales fell 8.1 percent last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 406,000, the Commerce Department said Thursday. The report also revised down the May sales rate to 442,000 from 504,000.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; realestate
For starters, this is pretty bad news. May-June should be the prime months for new home sales.

So I did a little homework here. May home sales (at the time) were characterized as "Surging" and "A Six Year High" ... and that number was revised down in this report (no surprise) by 62,000. So the report was a complete fabrication ... a miss that big isn't in the margin of error.

April's new home sales were also revised down to 425000. What does this mean? New home sales - a large engine in our economy - went from 425K to 442K to (unrevised) 408K. Flat, and trending downward. If this months number follows the usual pattern and gets revised down, new home starts are about dropping off a cliff.

Lookout below. I'm thinking that the 2nd half of 2014 is going to be a long slog.

1 posted on 07/24/2014 8:09:04 AM PDT by wbill
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To: wbill

Well, I hope the developers who bought the horse farm next to our exurban neighborhood to build smaller houses on much smaller lots lose their effin’ shirts. After all, they spent a lot of $$ greasing the palms of the City Council. Bad investments all around. :snort:


2 posted on 07/24/2014 8:15:09 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: wbill

We are looking at a condo(not new) in Vegas for winter getaway. Can’t figure out if the market has bottomed out yet.


3 posted on 07/24/2014 8:17:40 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: wbill

Polar vortex. Sequester. Republicans.


4 posted on 07/24/2014 8:26:01 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: wbill

In my neck of the woods, homes can’t be built fast enough. Not once during the burst bubble era did they slow down.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 8:54:26 AM PDT by bgill
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To: wbill

“April’s new home sales were also revised down to 425000. What does this mean? New home sales - a large engine in our economy - went from 425K to 442K to (unrevised) 408K. Flat, and trending downward. If this months number follows the usual pattern and gets revised down, new home starts are about dropping off a cliff. “

As housing drops off the cliff it takes with it the manufacturers of appliances, carpet, concrete, doors and windows, electrical and plumbing suppliers, all manufacturers of anything to do with houses. Further depresses the construction sector jobs, used home values and land values. Buying a house now is financial suicide, unless you can buy now so cheaply that you can absorb a 50% drop in value.


6 posted on 07/24/2014 9:00:30 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: wbill

This should drive the market up another 100 points.


7 posted on 07/24/2014 9:12:19 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

I know nothing about economics. So, if you can buy an inherited mortgage within a month (wishful thinking for sibling), at 2/3 the actual value of the house last month (I figure the whole market will drop?) would it be a good thing to do? Say the house was assessed at $120k at the time of death, mtg would be $80k. House is in great disrepair. Safe to live in with $2k improvements. LOL


8 posted on 07/24/2014 9:15:07 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: deadrock
We are looking at a condo(not new) in Vegas for winter getaway. Can’t figure out if the market has bottomed out yet.

It hasn't. Check out Scottsdale, AZ instead. Nicer winter weather and much better long-term resale potential.

9 posted on 07/24/2014 9:15:15 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: wbill

Well its going to be tough to get a housing recovery with 92 million out of work and half of the rest working 29 hours per week. Not a good outlook.


10 posted on 07/24/2014 9:24:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: bgill

Impressive letter on your home page! I just looked because I wanted to see where they were building houses without stopping but ended up reading the letter instead.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 9:27:04 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: bgill

Location, location, location. That means everything.


12 posted on 07/24/2014 10:18:09 AM PDT by buckalfa (Long time caller --- first time listener.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Nope. To the banks' credit, they've tightened down the loan process.

The first time I bought a house (right in the middle of all the "irrational exuberance") I was pre-approved for a loan where the payments would have exceeded my monthly income.

Let that sink in for a minute. It's no wonder that the nation got into some trouble.

Now, the last time I purchased a house (right in the middle of the banks' 'Oh CRAP, how are we going to pay for all this?!!' moment), Mrs WBill and I had near-perfect credit and were looking for something well within our budget. We were still pre-approved but we only were able to get the exact amount of money required and not a nickel more. The paperwork needed takes up several folders in my desk, as well. Lots and lots of hoops to jump through.

So .... fewer unqualified people buying houses is probably a good thing, especially in the long haul. However, to your point, the pool of qualified buyers is shrinking as well, which will weigh heavy on the market in the short AND long term. It's a vicious circle that can only reinforce itself.

13 posted on 07/24/2014 10:26:50 AM PDT by wbill
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To: huldah1776

Here is what I think is happening, some areas are booming, not the overall market. I think loose lending practices are creating another bubble in housing, mainly to make Obama look good, supposedly the Fed is stopping in Oct. this year of their stimulus, when this happens I look for a nose dive in the stock market. This will affect, just as before, how wealthy Americans feel and how much they can borrow to support lifestyles they can no longer afford.

I would rent for the near future and see what happens. Another thing you must consider is that more and more state, county, and city governments have been receiving stimulus money from the Feds, a lot of this has gone to hire otherwise unemployable relatives. If the stimulus does stop in Oct. these same levels of government will be desperate for money and will tax an easy target, that being your home.

Another thing I am seeing is people buying new cars and trucks at such prices that two of them could purchase a house. This is nuts and will not end well.

Think about this, Muslims are said to be big on symbolism and if you remember Oct. of ‘29 was the date of the big crash in the stock market. The murder of our ambassador and 3 others occurred on 9/11. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the Fed is pulling the plug in Oct. Just happens that I don’t believe in coincidences.

Only thing I am considering buying in the way of housing is a houseboat, I can move it to wherever sane people might still reside. Bear in mind this is just my opinion, probably not worth anymore than the opinion of anyone else.


14 posted on 07/24/2014 10:27:59 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Thanks. I’ll check into it.


15 posted on 07/24/2014 10:56:57 AM PDT by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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To: wbill

Yes things are not going to be better for awhile. As a 30 year veteran of the mortgage industry underwriting, managing and being a mortgage broker for 17 years I can tell you though that the mortgage business runs in a cycle and as soon as the business falls off they come around and tell the underwriters to start loosening up on the underwriting. Then the no income verification loans come back and yes they will. If interest rates rise the ARM’s will come strong and then down the road another refi back into fixed. It is age old.

The difference IMO this time around is the high unemployment and that combined with the huge shadow inventory the banks are still holding is providing a different dynamic. The banks use those REO’s in their asset column and they show the value based on the time the loan was made so it bumps up their asset column. If they sell the property then take the write down it erodes their assets on paper and they can end up showing that they are undercollateralized. Which IMO a lot of the banks are undercollateralized. The only thing making them look solvent is this bogus REO inventory showing inflated value.

As long as Obama is in office its not going to change. We have a long slog ahead of us.


16 posted on 07/24/2014 12:10:27 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: wbill

Manufacturing and jobs provide real revenues instead of debts. Real estate is good for the time being in parts of boom states with big energy commodity production.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 2:18:36 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: wbill

“So .... fewer unqualified people buying houses is probably a good thing, especially in the long haul. However, to your point, the pool of qualified buyers is shrinking as well, which will weigh heavy on the market in the short AND long term. It’s a vicious circle that can only reinforce itself.”

The worst symptom or our national suicide/0 birthrate is the lack of interested buyers (qualified or not). When the young people that are working are foregoing families in order to preserve some semblance of a middle-class standard of living, then they certainly aren’t going to be tied to thirty years of school tax payments for somebody else’s children.

NJ, with taxes among the highest in the nation, will probably be the last to see any housing recovery for this very reason. Young workers will keep their mobility to follow jobs/dreams, and will accept the relatively light burden of income taxes in exchange for freedom from property taxes. They will have nice cars and electronic gadgets, though.


18 posted on 07/25/2014 5:18:26 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I’ve worked in the mortgage industry as well; see # 18. There is such an oversupply of housing that today they have to traffic children from Central America to fill it. The demographic trend would indicate that only massive infusions of foreigners will even keep the current housing stock occupied.

The mental scars from this economy will last for decades; few people will sink ten years of payments into a property just to lose it when their job leaves.


19 posted on 07/25/2014 5:21:19 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

I agree. As long as Obama is in office things will only get worse. So for 2.5 more years chaos will reign. The Federal Reserve is killing the dollar, there is no gold in Ft Knox the economic collapse is coming whether we elect a GOP Senate and President or not.

IMO a resolution conflict is inevitiable and the only way to salvage the constitutional republic. So hang on its going to get bumpy.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 6:39:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I don’t believe Obama’s departure will change the long-term problems; they existed before he was elected (the drop in white births was WHY he was elected twice), and I don’t see that changing when he leaves. The concept of sacrificing current and future income and convenience for children, and bearing the risks involved in having them, have gone the way of the dodo for many Americans; many people breeding today do so without any thought to those things (lifelong Democrats dependent on the state for all of them).

I was fortunate in coming from a large family where we never had much; twenty years ago professors told us we wouldn’t enjoy the standard of living of our parents, and they were absolutely right.


21 posted on 07/25/2014 7:53:31 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: wbill

No kidding! A total miss of 15%. Who the hell pays these analysts and why can’t I get a sack job like that!


22 posted on 07/29/2014 9:13:07 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: kearnyirish2

Carlyle (probably the best connected with DC private equity group) is buying trailer parks.

That tells me something about the future.


23 posted on 07/29/2014 9:16:01 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: kearnyirish2

Reasonably good logic if we where importing educated Europeans or Asians. The importation of third World illiterates into a country that can’t graduate more than 50% of its’ own underclasses from High School much less college is probably a bad idea.


24 posted on 07/29/2014 9:29:20 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: nascarnation

Definitely; I think they anticipate the white former middle class moving out of the expensive suburbs, and they sure as hell aren’t going to the projects.


25 posted on 07/29/2014 12:42:47 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Jim from C-Town

“Reasonably good logic if we where importing educated Europeans or Asians. The importation of third World illiterates into a country that can’t graduate more than 50% of its’ own underclasses from High School much less college is probably a bad idea.”

Both are bad ideas; we don’t need to import educated Europeans and Asians to steal jobs from our middle class, and we don’t need Third World illiterates to steal tax dollars from them either as freebies.


26 posted on 07/29/2014 12:44:49 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

However, if we do have immigration. Better educated people who an at least provide for themselves.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 3:39:42 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: wbill

A federal agency is juggling numbers around to hide how bad it really is. They can’t make the emperor look bad.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 3:43:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ScottfromNJ

Lol. Exactly so!


29 posted on 07/29/2014 3:43:46 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Jim from C-Town

“However, if we do have immigration. Better educated people who an at least provide for themselves.”

Sure. Many people saw Obama’s election as a tipping point in this country; I would offer that it had happened a few years earlier, when Europeans stopped seeing immigration to this country as worthwhile. Today one can’t make the case to them that they would be better off here; at this point, they’ll still contend with high unemployment and taxes, while from my understanding their countries are just “nicer”.


30 posted on 07/29/2014 9:15:19 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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