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Advocates Say Military Dogs Aren't Pets They're Veterans
NPR ^ | July 24, 2014 | David Wellna

Posted on 07/24/2014 7:59:57 PM PDT by nickcarraway

It's dog days on Capitol Hill — or, more precisely, dogs have had their day there.

Five in particular — all war dog veterans. The canines joined their human advocates at a Capitol Hill briefing Wednesday, "Military Dogs Take the Hill," to spotlight an effort to require that all military working dogs be retired to the U.S.

Congress passed a law last year saying the military may bring back its working dogs to the U.S. to be reunited with their handlers, but it does not say they must be brought back.

Carlos, one of five war dog veterans at a Capitol Hill briefing Wednesday. And not one bark from any of them during a two-hour event.i Carlos, one of five war dog veterans at a Capitol Hill briefing Wednesday. And not one bark from any of them during a two-hour event.

David Welna/NPR "We're suggesting today that an easy solution, so very easy, is just to mandate that the dogs are returned to U.S. soil before they're retired," said Robin Ganzert, president of the American Humane Association, which hosted Wednesday's event. "And then, of course, these wonderful groups that we work with can work with the military to make sure the dogs are reunited."

Several House members were on hand to show their support. Nevada Democratic Rep. Dina Titus recalled the key role dogs played when she served as a state legislator.

"We always had a rule: If you wanted to get your bill passed, just show up with a dog. That always won people's hearts over, so I think we're in pretty good shape here," Titus said.

Three years ago, Ruby Ridpath learned from an Air Force captain in Kabul that Carlos, a yellow Lab who specialized in sniffing out explosives during five years in Iraq and Afghanistan, was being retired.

"And I said, 'Bring him home.' Three words, that's all it took: Bring him home," she says. Ridpath and her family adopted Carlos in 2011.

She considers him a vet, not a pet. And she thinks he deserves more help from the government he served.

"I'd like to see that there be some medical assistance, because for Carlos, I've spent almost $10,000 in medical costs for him. He's been worth every penny, but it's quite excessive at times," she says.

In this image from the June issue of National Geographic, Jose Armenta and his wife, Eliana, relax with their Boston terriers Oreo and Sassy, and Zenit, a German shepherd they adopted from the Marines. The Impact of War Civilian Life Taught This Military Dog Some New Tricks Marine Cpl. Daniel Cornier and his colleague, Chaak, in Afghanistan. "Pretty much trust him with my life," Cornier says. The Impact Of War Project Military Dogs Enjoy Brighter Future After Service A U.S. Army soldier with the 10th Special Forces Group and his military working dog jump off the ramp of a CH-47 Chinook helicopter from the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment during water training over the Gulf of Mexico as part of exercise Emerald Warrior 2011 on March 1, 2011. The Two-Way One Commando Had Four Legs; A Dog Reportedly Was Part Of Bin Laden Raid Others want to see more of an effort made to reunite war dogs with their handlers. Kristen Maurer heads Mission K9 Rescue, a group that helps handlers when they come back without their dogs.

"They all ask me the same thing. They say, 'Can you help me get my dog?' The words are not what strikes me. It's their tone of voice — almost a desperation," Maurer says.

One such handler is a Marine vet named Deano Miller, who was in Afghanistan four years ago with a yellow Lab named Thor.

"He'd never leave my side. He was never on leash. He was never in a kennel. He was always just — I didn't have to worry about that. He didn't leave me," Miller says.

But Miller had to leave Thor behind at the end of his tour. "So I had to wait 3 1/2 years for him, but I'd wait more if I had to. ... I was like, if he's 10 years [old] and has one leg, I'll still take him.

"And they used to think I'm joking, but I was serious," Miller says.

In May, the two were reunited. "Everything's a lot better now at home, and it wouldn't be possible if I wouldn't have him," Miller says.

Miller says his shadow has come back.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dogs; dogsofwar; moilitary; veterans; workingdogs

1 posted on 07/24/2014 7:59:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ping


2 posted on 07/24/2014 8:00:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

No. Veterans are human beings. Dogs are dogs.


3 posted on 07/24/2014 8:03:09 PM PDT by DManA
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To: nickcarraway
I posted a different story about this same subject this morning. I received a post by a FReeper that there are more inmportant things and that I need to focus. My reply was as follows.

As for me I am focused and nothing is to good for any that served rather they had two legs or four and especially those that came back with none.
4 posted on 07/24/2014 8:06:07 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: DManA; All

and by that statement you show that a dumbass is still a dumbass


5 posted on 07/24/2014 8:06:25 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: nickcarraway

Dogs are dogs. Military dogs are properly trained property. Giving them anything more would mean (eventual) human rights to beasts. You know the libtards are itching to give “human” rights to chimps and dolphins.


6 posted on 07/24/2014 8:08:17 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Shadowstrike

A dog is a rat is a boy - according to you.


7 posted on 07/24/2014 8:09:31 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

I speak FROM A Vets point of view.

I’d bet money the K-9s I’ve served with had a higher IQ point than you do.

Unless you’ve served...your words mean NOTHING.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 8:12:37 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: nickcarraway

Dogs are dogs, in this modern America we seem to be forgetting that even a highly prized, superbly trained animal, is still the animal he was before we trained him, we can treat it great like we always have our beloved dogs and cats, and horses, and elephants and other loyal beasts, we sometimes retire them and take care of them for life, but they are not humans, or another version of human.

There is no better retirement for a war dog, or police dog, than to become a ball chasing pet of the right human.


9 posted on 07/24/2014 8:13:40 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: nickcarraway

Calling the dogs veterans sounds like a sneaky way of denying them veterinary care. ?


10 posted on 07/24/2014 8:17:15 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Shadowstrike

You are the one comparing what a dog who does what a dog is trained to do with what a Veteran does. And you don’t see a problem with that.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 8:19:12 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

This play on words is just not even talking about what is real with these dogs.

I spent a lot of years in the employee of uncle sam with a dog tied to my arm. There were a couple of times I know they saved my ass and several more when they kept me from harms way...

Use whatever words you like but the dogs saved lives and still do.

For that they have a very high value to those of us who are still alive because of them.


12 posted on 07/24/2014 8:49:16 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired AB Ranger K-9 handler.)
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13 posted on 07/24/2014 8:50:45 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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Active Duty/Retiree ping.


14 posted on 07/24/2014 8:54:03 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: sagar
"Military dogs are properly trained property. Giving them anything more would mean (eventual) human rights to beasts."

Yes, they are property, but animals have always (generally) been viewed differently than inert property under our system of law. You can hang your pillow on a clothesline and beat it with a metal rod all day long. Do that to your own dog or cat, and you'll be explaining yourself in front of a judge. Similarly, many state laws put the theft of a horse or livestock in a category more egregious than the theft of say a TV or canoe, even if they were of equivalent monetary value.

People may attach sentimental value to an object, but people form emotional bonds with animals. Similarly, most inert property can be had for the duration of its owner's life and passed on to posterity if adequately cared for. Animals, as property, are ephemeral and so when an emotional or sentimental attachment is formed, there is an added impetus to maximize the value of the attachment, knowing that the bond will sooner or later be dissolved by the death of the animal.

15 posted on 07/24/2014 9:02:33 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: oldenuff2no

I love dogs. Military dogs should be treated kindly. They are not Veterans. The word Veteran has a very specific meaning. It refers to a HUMAN BEING how serves in his nation’s military. They are not dogs.


16 posted on 07/24/2014 9:09:58 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Shadowstrike

You sound like one of those professional veteran types who claims that anybody who hasn’t served in the military has no right to state their opinion. You aren’t helping vets or military dogs by insulting people, and yes, they’re dogs, not veterans.


17 posted on 07/24/2014 10:48:06 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: nickcarraway; shibumi

To all the dogs left behind in ‘Nam...ping


18 posted on 07/25/2014 12:15:47 AM PDT by Salamander (He ain't heavy, he's my Boa.)
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To: nickcarraway
Veteran Working Dog Has Trouble Marketing Skills To Local Employers
19 posted on 07/25/2014 2:31:25 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Jet Jaguar; SkyPilot

I agree with this to a point. I don’t lose sight of the fact that they are dogs and not humans. In the old cavalry, men developed close relationships to their horses. But at the end of the day, they took them into battle where they were killed, but they also were often without forage or supplies, and their animals suffered. If one was injured, broke a leg, they’d put it out of its misery. We don’t do the same with a soldier.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 5:24:11 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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21 posted on 07/25/2014 7:08:41 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Kartographer

I hereby grant you allowance to focus on ANY topic that you so choose. And you tell ‘em I said so!!!!


22 posted on 07/25/2014 8:06:39 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (If chocolate fudge cake could sing, it would sound like Barry White.)
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To: Shadowstrike

He’s not a dumbass. Try not to use anything but your brain. It really helps. As wonderful as these dogs are, and precious too, they are not vets, which by definition is a human being. The ones who own Carlos want the government to pay for medical care.....That’s pretty open ended. What if care costs $20,000 one year? Where is the line?! If maybe $2000 was provided per year, not to carry over to the next year, I could see that. But love him as they do, we shouldn’t have to pay for an open ended amount for this.


23 posted on 07/25/2014 8:10:37 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (If chocolate fudge cake could sing, it would sound like Barry White.)
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To: DManA

I didn’t ping you, and I guess I should have, but I replied to that rude post addressed to you.


24 posted on 07/25/2014 8:11:32 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (If chocolate fudge cake could sing, it would sound like Barry White.)
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To: Shadowstrike; DManA

So you think that if we haven’t actually served in the military, then we are not allowed to have an opinion on this subject?? I was a military wife for 20 years, may I have an opinion, pleeeeeease??? I bet if I had an opinion that agreed with yours, you’d say sure.

DmanA, don’t even worry about what Shadowstrike says, HE’S the dumbass.


25 posted on 07/25/2014 8:14:44 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (If chocolate fudge cake could sing, it would sound like Barry White.)
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To: oldenuff2no; DManA

I agree with what you say. I honor these dogs, but they are not equal to humans, no way.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 8:16:00 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (If chocolate fudge cake could sing, it would sound like Barry White.)
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To: oldenuff2no

Agreed; those dogs are of more value to me than 99.98% of the so called human beings I have met in my lifetime.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 7:31:40 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Shimmer1

yeah, this dumbass gives our military it’s full support, shame I can’t say the same about a military wife.

I pity your husband.


28 posted on 07/25/2014 8:23:57 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike

You needn’t. If anyone cared anything about your opinion, you’d wet yourself. Or worse. LOL!


29 posted on 07/25/2014 8:43:58 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (If chocolate fudge cake could sing, it would sound like Barry White.)
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To: nickcarraway

IDF rescues dog wounded in Gaza

Hamas sends donkey on suicide mission

30 posted on 07/25/2014 8:53:58 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Shimmer1

hardly.

Let me put it this way, and I’ll try to use small words so you can understand.

Do tanks, trucks or any weapons (everything from rifles to SAMs) get medals, awards or citations?

No?

Then get off your self righteous act.

Unless you’ve served, your opinion means as much to me as bird shit, and that means nothing to me at all.


31 posted on 07/26/2014 8:13:13 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike

You don’t have a valid argument, so you resort to personal attacks. I get it. LOL.


32 posted on 07/27/2014 5:57:50 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Shadowstrike

And how many years did you serve, Shadowstrike????


33 posted on 07/27/2014 6:54:18 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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