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Can the GOP use Illegal immigration as a wedge issue to speak to black voters?

Posted on 07/25/2014 9:30:02 AM PDT by eekitsagreek

With such a hot-button topic as illegal immigration and knowing that the vast majority of blacks are against this issue, is the GOP doing anything to reach out to black voters? It would seem like this would be a worthwhile effort.

Or am I wrong on this?


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KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration

1 posted on 07/25/2014 9:30:02 AM PDT by eekitsagreek
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To: eekitsagreek

Depends. If the GOPe get their way and join the democrats in passing some kind of “comprehensive” abortion then obviously, no.


2 posted on 07/25/2014 9:33:10 AM PDT by DManA
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To: eekitsagreek
I don't see disappointed Blacks changing their Democrat stripes. ...they've been taught Republicans opposed civil rights!

The best we can do is watch them stay home.

3 posted on 07/25/2014 9:33:48 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: eekitsagreek

Funny, I just mentioned this on another subject. I think it is doable. I think it is worthwhile. I don’t think it is a ruse either as they have been on the democrat plantation and need to see how they can get off of it.


4 posted on 07/25/2014 9:36:14 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: eekitsagreek

They could if they were smart.


5 posted on 07/25/2014 9:37:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: eekitsagreek

Definitely. If it was articulated well, it could break off a large amount of black voters.


6 posted on 07/25/2014 9:39:59 AM PDT by struggle
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To: eekitsagreek

The interesting thing is - at some of the anti-illegals, resettlement protests, have seen more than a few black people.

Some seem to understand that flooding the low-end job market with hundreds of thousands or millions of illegals isn’t going to help Black Americans, particularly youth, looking for jobs.


7 posted on 07/25/2014 9:41:18 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: eekitsagreek

If they could get coordinated. The Republican leadership could beat the Democrats about their heads with just about any issue.

The economy? Yep.
Treatment of women? Yep.
Foreign affairs? Yep.
Unemployment? Yep.
Safety of the country? Yep.


8 posted on 07/25/2014 9:43:47 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: eekitsagreek

“Stuck on stupid” has no cure.


9 posted on 07/25/2014 9:45:53 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: TexasCajun
The best we can do is watch them stay home.

Or, start their own party.

It will happen eventually as the Blacks and Hispanics increasingly come to the realization that they are in direct competition with each other for many things. This may be one of the first issues that gets that ball rolling.

10 posted on 07/25/2014 9:46:28 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: eekitsagreek

They’re too dumb... and by that I mean the GOP


11 posted on 07/25/2014 9:47:43 AM PDT by Viennacon (Barry Obama? No... Barack Hussein Soebarkah.)
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To: eekitsagreek

Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin have made a case on how we have to reach out to the ‘forgotten man’ and working-class poor. I think we can peel off some of the black votes.

The GOP has a shot to win some of them if they make the case to them directly. I recently assisted with an event which brought in contract labor, with workers paid the California minimum wage. Several of these guys were black, from neighborhoods in Oakland I would never go to. Some were trying to get their GEDs and regretted dropping out of high school. Unemployment for black males without a diploma is 57 %!

I realized it’s a total lie that illegals are needed to do jobs Americans won’t. These guys are competing against illegal labor and it’s hurting them the most. In addition, high gas prices have a terrible effect on their pocketbooks.

We could make the case for punishing companies that hire illegals and lower gas prices through opening up drilling. In addition, we could make the case for good-paying energy jobs and explain how the global warming hoax is hurting our economy..


12 posted on 07/25/2014 9:48:24 AM PDT by Conservative Vet
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To: eekitsagreek

Would be highly effective but the Pubbies won’t have the guts to go anywhere near this.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 9:49:34 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: eekitsagreek

Here’s the problem. New Illegals take entry level low skill work, mostly from Blacks. Those Blacks now get EBT cards and bammy-phones, etc. It’s tough sell to get them to give up the freebies in return for a crap job.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 9:51:00 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: eekitsagreek
Can the GOP use Illegal immigration as a wedge issue to speak to black voters?

The answer is no. It doesn't matter how much evidence is presented, or how persuasive an argument is made regarding how harmful illegal immigration is to the black community. The mindset, for about 85% of black voters is: "he's one of us, so we don't care what he does, we will support him no matter what."

15 posted on 07/25/2014 9:54:31 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Viennacon
They’re too dumb... and by that I mean the GOP

Sadly, I think you are right.

16 posted on 07/25/2014 9:56:07 AM PDT by eekitsagreek
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To: eekitsagreek

Answer: No, they are too politically stupid.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 9:57:12 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: moehoward

You are the first freeper to give the correct answer. Working and jobs are not a high priority for many/most? blacks and for the reasons you mention. All the various welfare goodies

As in “That job is for chump change. Let Jose do it”


18 posted on 07/25/2014 9:57:35 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: eekitsagreek
Video: DC March for Jobs
19 posted on 07/25/2014 9:58:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: moehoward
Here’s the problem. New Illegals take entry level low skill work, mostly from Blacks. Those Blacks now get EBT cards and bammy-phones, etc. It’s tough sell to get them to give up the freebies in return for a crap job.

Eventually the money that pays for the freebies will run out, then what happens?

20 posted on 07/25/2014 9:58:57 AM PDT by eekitsagreek
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To: eekitsagreek

What ... offer the GOP blessing to one group of freeloaders by taunting them with the prospect of being called ‘Conservatives’ (a title neither group comprehends or respects) JUST to spite another group of equally demanding and anti-American freeloaders?

Really?

What a waste of time and effort.

Neither group will ever BE actual Conservatives ... and the GOP has been unsuccessfully pandering to black voters for donkey’s years!


22 posted on 07/25/2014 10:13:30 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: moehoward
It could be argued that more illegals means more mouths at the trough. I'm sure someone would understand that more mouths in the trough means less for those already there.

No jobs, fewer freebies, I'm sure the GOP could make an argument that would sway some blacks, but the real problem is the GOP won't because they want illegals here just as bad as the democrats.

23 posted on 07/25/2014 10:17:17 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone
It could be argued that more illegals means more mouths at the trough. I'm sure someone would understand that more mouths in the trough means less for those already there.

Exactly. The GOP could use that with any number of issues. Unfortunately there are a good many conservatives who aren't quite bright enough to figure out the difference between reaching out is not the same as pandering.
24 posted on 07/25/2014 10:26:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: eekitsagreek
"Eventually the money that pays for the freebies will run out, then what happens?"

We ran out years ago. We just borrow it from China or whoever is fool enough to give it to us. Whatever it takes to keep them placated, because once they NEED that job, things will get violent.

25 posted on 07/25/2014 10:27:01 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: eekitsagreek

There is nobody smart enough in the GOPe to handle a campaign like that.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 10:30:43 AM PDT by jch10 (WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM THE COYOTE IN CHIEF?)
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To: TexasCajun

Agreed. Black are Conservative on a whole host of issues from religious freedom, gay marriage and school vouchers.

But they won’t vote Republican because they’ve been conditioned for generations to believe that Republicans are racist. And to tune out (if not treat with dismissive contempt) anyone who attempts to tell them otherwise.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 10:31:58 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: eekitsagreek

They should show them the 340 bills the republicans passed and they all are on Harry Reid’s desk he won’t let them come up for a vote ahh the democrats helping the American people again.


28 posted on 07/25/2014 10:32:09 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: eekitsagreek

The GOP can’t do anything but make deals with communists.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 10:33:55 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: SMARTY

The GOP talks about big tent by changing their principles to bring in more people. Instead Ronald Reagan believed in getting people to join the republican party based on shared beliefs in conservative values.

Abortion is killing the influence the black community has in society. They can be made to see that liberals have sold them an anti-God bill of goods on abortion. As to gay marriage, blacks are way more conservative and they understand the importance of religion in life unlike most of the rest of the democrat party. That, combined with immigration would make them the natural allies Reagan talked about.

It’s not like conservatives don’t have to deal with part time believers already. Look at the libertarians. They share some conservative beliefs and have other liberal ones. You don’t have to be 100% pure in philosophy but you should at least share the philosophy.

Right now, for whatever reason, the republican party is running from the very values that conservatives and blacks share. They want to bring in illegals which is very bad for the black community and they are trying to go with the flow on gay marriage. As long as they continue on this direction, neither blacks or conservatives will be willing to go with them.


30 posted on 07/25/2014 10:36:40 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone
"It could be argued that more illegals means more mouths at the trough."

So the GOP position would be 'there's only so much free crap, Illegals are taking the Black man's free crap'?

31 posted on 07/25/2014 10:42:19 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: tanknetter
And to tune out (if not treat with dismissive contempt) anyone who attempts to tell them otherwise.

The Black Slavers will now allow any escapes from the Democrat Plantation!

...else it's the hot box!

32 posted on 07/25/2014 10:44:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: eekitsagreek

Maybe they could, but they would just screw it up because they are incompetent.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 10:44:30 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Waryone

The GOP is at a perennial disadvantage... because to grasp Conservatism, it is necessary to think and plan beyond the immediate, personal and temporary.

The Liberal voter base has NO inclination for this nor do they have (and have NEVER had) this level of sophistication in their thinking.

Granted, you don’t need to be a genius to grasp the basics of Conservatism, but even grasping the basics is a stretch for most Liberals.


34 posted on 07/25/2014 10:45:21 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: moehoward

Sadly, that’s probably the argument that needs to be made. It won’t win Blacks over to the GOP, but it might spur them to do the “pox on both your houses” thing and stay home on election day.

Actually, if Conservatives were smart we’d do what the Dems do with settingvup and supporting “Libertarian” candidates: set up “Progressive Party” candidates who would go into the Black community and peel off votes using that argument.


35 posted on 07/25/2014 10:47:51 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
"set up “Progressive Party” candidates who would go into the Black community and peel off votes using that argument."

I like it!

36 posted on 07/25/2014 10:54:59 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

In public speaking you always consider your audience. The gravy train will run out quicker with the invaders sucking it up. The invading illegals are taking everything — jobs, identities, US sovereignty, money, free stuff. Why not tell the truth and win converts?


37 posted on 07/25/2014 10:57:52 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Waryone

Yeah. I’m guessing there’s plenty of older Black folks who know what’s going on. It’s the ‘non-cursive-readers’ that are unreachable. Until the flow of hand-outs stop, they will not get it. A warning of ‘it’s running out’ means nothing to a demographic who is only concerned with today.


38 posted on 07/25/2014 11:11:54 AM PDT by moehoward
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It’s tough sell to get them to give up the freebies in return for a crap job.

“A man must stand erect, not be kept erect by others.”
- Marcus Aurelius

Stand erect, accept a hand up in place of a handout, or lay there and stay out of my way.
- JimRed

39 posted on 07/25/2014 1:21:17 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: eekitsagreek

Only if they were smart and courageous and honest. Nuff said.


40 posted on 07/25/2014 3:04:04 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Mouton

You wouldn’t need to capture large numbers of black Americans. First, for Obama’s last election 66% of black eligible voters voted. That’s a record high, but as a percent of the electorate they’re down below 20%. So if you just took one in seven away, you’d see many urban elections swing away from Democrats for statewide races.


41 posted on 07/25/2014 6:04:47 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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