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Desperate Obama White House Behind Impeachment Rumors
Live Trading News ^ | 7-26-2014 | Paul Ebeling

Posted on 07/25/2014 10:21:41 PM PDT by Citizen Zed

Any discussion of Republicans working to impeach US President Barack Hussein Obama over any executive action he might take on immigration is “pure politics,” Rep. John Fleming (R-LA) said Friday.

“The president is behind that narrative,” the 3-term GOP congressman from Louisiana said. “There has not been any discussions on the impeachment of this president. Republicans do not want to go there.

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KEYWORDS: impeachment; impeachnow; johnboehner; johnfleming; louisiana; ohio
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Sounds reasonably true.
1 posted on 07/25/2014 10:21:41 PM PDT by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

For sure. CNN just picked it up.

They are trying to play the victim card. “Trying to lynch our first black president.” Make Republicans look ‘extreme.’ Motivate the lazy base who has absolutely no reason to vote given their high unemployment rate and being replaced by Hispanics.


2 posted on 07/25/2014 10:28:32 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Citizen Zed

Do you think they’d care if they found out he was 4% black? George Zimmerman is blacker than he is by quite a bit.


3 posted on 07/25/2014 10:33:00 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Battlefield preparation.


4 posted on 07/25/2014 10:38:07 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: Citizen Zed
"Those Republicans only want to impeach me because I'm blue."


5 posted on 07/25/2014 10:40:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Citizen Zed
"I am not desperate and I am not a lame duck."


6 posted on 07/25/2014 10:42:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Citizen Zed

There you go. Impeachment IS such a bad idea that Rat
strategists would plant it and frame the GOP. Time to
shut-up Palin. No national widespread support and almost
not enough time to do it, anyway. Nothing good could come
of it. Let the POSOTUS sink in his own S. We can
survive until ‘16.


7 posted on 07/25/2014 11:12:04 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: Sivad

One day I thought I’d died and gone to Hell,
but I was only in Long Beach .....
Yes, you’re right. Impeachment can wait until after the midterms.


8 posted on 07/25/2014 11:16:05 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: TigerClaws

This is one more piece of misdirection to toss onto the Clowers-Pivens pile being heaped upon us.
There will be more.

The 0 is quite desperate, but his tendency is to over reach and it is starting to show. You know there is a limit to how often we can be distracted.


9 posted on 07/25/2014 11:19:02 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Citizen Zed

NWO plan = impeach Obama but keep the laws he signed as ‘legit.’

Impeaching ‘Obama’ is like impeaching Hitler.

Hussein should be convicted/executed for war crimes as an Enemy Combatant.

The stage-name ‘Barack Hussein Obama’ isn’t the legal name of any person in the United States.

That name exists only as a fictional character in the minds of Soebarkah and his CIA/NWO/CFR creators.


10 posted on 07/25/2014 11:24:38 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: LyinLibs

The Globalists are thrilled they got 6 years of sabotage out of their Enemy Combatant and his clumsy Fake ID.

NWO has already chosen his replacement.

If this war criminal Enemy Combatant gets ‘impeached,’
NWO will still enjoy the $50 Trillion he stole for them.


11 posted on 07/25/2014 11:28:42 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Citizen Zed

IMO he’s trying to energize his base with impeachment talk. It’s his hail mary to try and turn around the november elections.


12 posted on 07/25/2014 11:30:52 PM PDT by Cubs Fan (false claims of racism--the first refuge of a liberal scoundrel)
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To: Citizen Zed

Guilty conscience.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 11:33:39 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Citizen Zed

I don’t think this is going to help him anyway. Actually impeaching Clinton boosted his approval. Just talking about it ain’t going to do that for Obama.

At this point more people will be upset that he isn’t impeached because everyone sees he is betraying America to illegals. And apparently he plans on escalating that betrayal.

Obama was always a disaster and I think he’s becoming a disaster squared.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 11:35:03 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Citizen Zed

Don’t throws me in dat briar patch!


15 posted on 07/25/2014 11:35:50 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: Sivad
There you go. Impeachment IS such a bad idea ... Nothing good could come of it. Let the POSOTUS sink in his own S. We can survive until ‘16.

Perhaps. Then there's this:


Article. II.
Section. 2.
Clause 1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

There's a long list of corruptocrats who are counting heavily on a presidential pardon to save their carcasses from long, long prison sentences, and many of them warrant a hangman's noose.

The process of impeachment will suspend the presidential power of pardon.

16 posted on 07/25/2014 11:40:00 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Citizen Zed

Why even vote for R’s when they only support or defend or kow- tow to the problem?


17 posted on 07/25/2014 11:43:44 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: meadsjn
it seems so easy to sway the LIVs,
thank you, for your interesting post.

18 posted on 07/25/2014 11:49:48 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Citizen Zed; TigerClaws; 2ndDivisionVet; ArmstedFragg; UCANSEE2; Sivad; tumblindice; LyinLibs; ...
Regarding post #16 and the suspension of the presidential powers of pardon, Congress has been investigating impeachable offenses pretty much non-stop since odinga waltzed into the White Hut.

The SCOTUS will most likely be hearing pleas from many on such a list as to why their pardons are invalid.

19 posted on 07/25/2014 11:59:05 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Citizen Zed; TigerClaws; 2ndDivisionVet; ArmstedFragg; UCANSEE2; Sivad; tumblindice; LyinLibs; ...
And then there's this:


Article. I.
Section. 6.
Clause 1: The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

20 posted on 07/26/2014 12:13:58 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn

Respectfully, it does little or no good for congress to “investigate” all the impeachable offenses (or lack of constitutional qualification for office) if it remains obvious that the congressional leadership either supports O or at least is determined to continue proteting him

and... he is not dumb. he can see that there is no danger whatsoever from congress/comrade Boehner


21 posted on 07/26/2014 12:27:07 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Citizen Zed

Carefull Barry. If you keep fanning those flames of discontent, the notion of impeachment may become first a familiar idea, then a comfortable one for both sides.


22 posted on 07/26/2014 12:52:10 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: faithhopecharity
We don't need to imagine the panic that sets in when criminal Democrats fear losing their promised presidential pardon. We've seen it.

Hillary and Petraeus both announced their resignations in the morning hours the day after the fraudulent election of 2012. Nobody expected odinga to win, not even odinga himself, and all the participants in the Benghazi cover-up had obviously been promised presidential pardons to be delivered prior to his expected departure from office in January 2013.

When the fraud machine cranked out the miracle, a whole truckload of criminal Democrats experienced panic beyond compare. "OMG, there goes my presidential pardon!"

With four more years, and plenty of time for impeachment proceedings, there was nothing left to do but keep cranking out daily crises of treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors.

Impeachment is a House process. Whether the Senate convicts, or ever would convict, or ever even pretend to try any such impeachment, the Constitutional suspension of the presidential power of pardon is triggered by the impeachment process, and possibly retroactive to the beginnings of investigations for impeachable offenses. There are many.

23 posted on 07/26/2014 12:57:31 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn; All

I gotta read, the US Constitution again, it’s been a long time.


24 posted on 07/26/2014 1:48:26 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Citizen Zed
"Never strike a king unless you are sure you shall kill him."
    — Emerson

It takes 67 senators to remove a president. No point bringing an impeachment until removal is assured. That would take a spectacular November.

25 posted on 07/26/2014 2:02:00 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: meadsjn
The process of impeachment will suspend the presidential power of pardon.

Impeachment is not a criminal process. Its sanctions are limited to removal from office (thanks to the memory of Charlie I, no doubt!).

The power of pardon is over the federal criminal process.

Still unresolved is, can a president pardon himself (but that would be wrong, LOL) for criminal offenses committed while in office?

26 posted on 07/26/2014 2:08:15 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of criminal Democrats depending on their personal presidential pardon.

In case of impeachment, they can kiss their pardons goodbye.

Just little crack in the dam. Nothing to worry about.

27 posted on 07/26/2014 2:27:36 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn
In case of impeachment, they can kiss their pardons goodbye.

That assumes he's actually removed, which is highly unlikely.

Until he's removed, he can issue pardons, except in the case of individuals who themselves have been impeached. That's a pretty tiny class of persons.

As for the little people, such as Lois Lerner, he can pardon until he's red in his gray face.

But there are littler people than Lois Lerner, who threaten to escape Presidential notice. These cretins should live in fear of a Republican DOJ bent on destroying their lives for their dedication to Progress!

28 posted on 07/26/2014 2:42:52 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
In case of impeachment, they can kiss their pardons goodbye.

That assumes he's actually removed, which is highly unlikely.

Until he's removed, he can issue pardons, except in the case of individuals who themselves have been impeached. That's a pretty tiny class of persons.

Impeachment and removal from office are two separate parts of the process. The Constitution states, "... in cases of impeachment."

I do realize that everyone has lost faith in everything and everybody, and for good reason. However, we are not dead yet, and we are obligated to push for justice.

29 posted on 07/26/2014 3:14:16 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Citizen Zed

impeach?
obammy deserves what Benito got.


30 posted on 07/26/2014 3:16:40 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Citizen Zed

Another way of reading it: “Obama admits that he should be impeached.”


31 posted on 07/26/2014 3:28:09 AM PDT by Darksheare (I don't have a copy. one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: meadsjn

With respect, I believe that section refers to the individual under impeachment being ineligible to receive a pardon, not the president himself. In other words, it’s another of the framers’ clever means of maintaining separation of powers: since impeachment is supposed to be a serious business, they did not want a president issuing pardons willy-nilly to blunt congressional power.

As for Obama, this is a sign of Jarrett’s intellectually bankrupt desperation. They have literally nothing positive to say about themselves or their party and merely hope to sling mud and claim persecution. For once, the GOP’s passive stance may help them laugh off such paranoid fantasies by the White House.


32 posted on 07/26/2014 3:31:01 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: meadsjn
The Constitution states, "... in cases of impeachment."

Yes, but does that mean his power to pardon is suspended the moment the House passes articles of impeachment? Or the moment he's no longer the President, having been removed by the Senate?

Or does it simply mean that the pardon power doesn't extend to canceling an impeachment (e.g., of any federal office holder, say Alcee Hastings)?

This link would indicate it only keeps the president from interfering in impeachments, not from pardoning in general (boldface added):

But how, if at all, should such a power [of pardon] be limited? A proposal introduced by Connecticut's Roger Sherman to make Presidential pardons subject to the consent of the Senate was considered but quickly rejected by the Convention (the Senate was deemed to be powerful enough already). So was Luther Martin's suggestion of confining pardons to convicted persons only; the Framers concluded that pre-conviction pardons might be useful to further national interests - immediately pardoning a captured spy, for instance, might produce yield important military intelligence. The Constitutional Convention did, however, agree that pardons could not be issued "in cases of impeachment"; this may have been prompted by concerns arising from a 17th century English constitutional crisis which had developed after King Charles II pardoned the Earl of Danby, Thomas Osborne, who had been impeached by Parliament.

With the single exception of impeachment, then, the pardon power emerged from Philadelphia as exclusive, broad, and unfettered by the regular checks and balances of the governmental structure.


33 posted on 07/26/2014 3:41:19 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: lee martell

Joe Biden is the prize for a successful impeachment. Had Hitlery been the prize the Democrats would have impeached Pee-Wee themselves.


34 posted on 07/26/2014 3:54:40 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Citizen Zed

Talk of impeachment is nonsense. He should be tried for treason and administered the proper punishment.


35 posted on 07/26/2014 3:59:41 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost ("Just look at the flowers, Lizzie. Just look at the flowers.")
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To: Citizen Zed

We don’t have to impeach him, we do have the power to DEFUND him! Why do the republicans keep sending him his allowance...years ago, mine was cut off often for “infractions.” Bad exec order? Too bad, no allowance.


36 posted on 07/26/2014 5:33:18 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ($$$$$$$$ DEFUND OBAMA! $$$$$$$$$)
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To: LyinLibs

Have new laws been put in place to actually vet foreign candidates and make all their writings public, no hiding anything? I would think that being a member of the communist party should be regarded as an enemy of the state.


37 posted on 07/26/2014 5:53:29 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Citizen Zed
First, it's too late for impeachment even if we had the votes.

Second, we don't have anywhere near the votes in the senate.

Third, there is a much better way to deal with this guy without making him a victim, but it requires just as much guts as impeachment: DEFUND and that means shutting the government down.

Cruz had this exactly right two years ago. Would have been much easier to swallow the meds then.

BTW, this is Zero's only card left. The only way--he's at 39% on GALLUP now, remember?---for him to survive the next two years without going into the 20s is to be a victim.

38 posted on 07/26/2014 5:55:15 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: meadsjn

Well, the GOP may want to start the proceedings before all of Gitmo is pardoned.


39 posted on 07/26/2014 5:55:37 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Williams
At this point more people will be upset that he isn't impeached...

I don't want Obama to be impeached. It'll give him an excuse to rally the base. The base is mostly fed up with him, but the 'pub ptb are corporate sleaze, and dems aren't going to change sides for that. A coherent constitutional conservative message is what will win them over.

I'm more disgusted with the HOR 'pubs than I am with Obama! Obama is being Obama. Remember when the 'pubs campaigned with if they controlled the HOR, they control the purse strings, and won't fund Obama's overeach? Well, in my mind it's the HOR that should maybe be sued etc for caving every single time and financing Obama's destruction of the US.

Not enough conservatives? There were plenty of conservatives to oust Boehner as Speaker. One can only include most of them have DC disease.

grrrr.....end of Saturday rant.

40 posted on 07/26/2014 6:03:19 AM PDT by grania
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To: meadsjn

There’s no “suspension of pardon power”. The “in cases of impeachment” clause means that a President can’t pardon someone else’s impeachment; e.g., can’t pardon the impeachment of a Federal judge who has been removed by Congress and put him back on the bench.


41 posted on 07/26/2014 6:14:10 AM PDT by Campion
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You are correct. Obama is mostly white and Arab. His ancestors were slave traders.


42 posted on 07/26/2014 6:14:49 AM PDT by abclily (every)
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To: meadsjn

Another one that left was Axelrod on January 28, 2011, then the military took the initiative to get Ben Laden after Jarrett said no three times, and in August came Extortion 17.


43 posted on 07/26/2014 6:15:41 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: meadsjn
Thanks for pointing that out.

If there is anyone who "didn't build that" it's Barry obama and his presidency.

By now it's obvious that there are a lot of folks with a lot invested who did "build that" and their boy Barry is only good to them unimpeached.

They've paid quite a bit for their obama "Get Out of Jail Free" card and will keep it safely tucked away in their back pocket. Keep your hands off!

All for one, and that one for all of them...them or US.

44 posted on 07/26/2014 6:26:50 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Right on!! I have always wondered why the house continues to bank roll this red diaper baby’s lavish misuse of our money and then whines about his socialist actions. Could it be they are waiting their turn at the trough?


45 posted on 07/26/2014 6:38:05 AM PDT by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: Darksheare

Don’t believe Obama will admit that. Obama believes he’s above the law.


46 posted on 07/26/2014 6:44:34 AM PDT by eat the books (Ebsltifbsf jt b qjfdf pg hbscbhf)
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To: Citizen Zed
When all else fails

Don't leave The White House without it.

47 posted on 07/26/2014 6:47:10 AM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Sivad

Let’s see if they are singing the same tune if the senate sways towards impeachment. Right now they know there is no way the senate will convict. If that dynamic changes,it’s a whole new situation.


48 posted on 07/26/2014 7:06:57 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: McGruff

No problem if he forgets it the media always has a spare on hand.


49 posted on 07/26/2014 7:10:14 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Joe Boucher
impeach? obammy deserves what Benito got.

No he deserves what Kadaffi got.

50 posted on 07/26/2014 7:48:56 AM PDT by WhirlwindAttack (I do not advocate the use of violence. It works but I don't advocate it. YMMV Improvise.)
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