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Obamacare teeters on a typo
Chicago Tribune ^ | 7-26-2014 | Clarence Page

Posted on 07/26/2014 8:11:09 AM PDT by Citizen Zed

Remember how Democrats rushed into passing President Barack Obama 's Affordable Care Act back in 2010 while they still had the votes? Now health care for millions teeters on a typo.

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The article is premium content so I don't know what the Obamacare typo is. I thought news was free. Greedy Clarence Page!
1 posted on 07/26/2014 8:11:09 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

They’re going to stuff this into liberal courts and it won’t matter.


2 posted on 07/26/2014 8:14:11 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Citizen Zed

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/25/obamacare-architect-claims-comments-were-just-a-typo/

I believe this is the same story and it’s free.


3 posted on 07/26/2014 8:14:21 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Citizen Zed

If it’s the issue of subsidies, it’s not a typo. The author stated it was intentionally designed that way.


4 posted on 07/26/2014 8:15:31 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Citizen Zed

It’s a lie. They are trying to deny what the law says, about exchanges I think.


5 posted on 07/26/2014 8:16:09 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Citizen Zed

The propaganda continues.


6 posted on 07/26/2014 8:16:31 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Citizen Zed

I found it elsewhere. Clarence is just starting the spin cycle, that all this is over a typo, when we know from other sources that it was the intent all along to use subsidies to entice states to set up their own exchanges. Now the left wants to undo their own handiwork through rule making rather than legislation. Nothing more complicated than that.


7 posted on 07/26/2014 8:16:39 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: boycott

There has already been a split between two circuits (4th Circ. in VA and DC Circ) on this question. You might be surprised at which held which position. That split between the circuits is typically what causes SCOTUS to take a case.


8 posted on 07/26/2014 8:18:17 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Citizen Zed

It is not a typo, misspelling a word is a typo. They intentionally drafted the law as it was written. States did not fall into line as was expected. That was their error.
Much to my delight.


9 posted on 07/26/2014 8:18:22 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Citizen Zed

The typo is a talking point. Bobocare was created with an incentive for the states to create their own healthcare exchanges. To get the tax subsidies, a citizen would have to use a state exchange. It was discussed at the time and the reason they did this was the federal government cannot force the states to set up exchanges.

Few states set up their own exchanges, and the DC court of appeals just ruled that the law must be implemented as written. Now the Democrats are now saying the part they set up to coerce the states was a typo.

Page got the Rat talking points memo.


10 posted on 07/26/2014 8:18:44 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: leapfrog0202

Oh this is ridiculous. Speaking is not a “typo”. He’s lying out his backside and hoping nobody challenges him further. He stated specifically the reason why it was designed that way. A single word is a malapropism... and entire argument is intentional.


11 posted on 07/26/2014 8:19:44 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: Citizen Zed

IT'S NOT A ****ING TYPO!

These people learn their talking points and scurry off to write their columns like the little goblin scribe in The Hobbit.

12 posted on 07/26/2014 8:20:31 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("World History is not full of good governments, or of good voters either "--P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Citizen Zed

Not
A
Typo.

Rather it’s a failed political calculation.


13 posted on 07/26/2014 8:21:32 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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To: EDINVA

I think SCOTUS will take this case. Swing votes are of course Kennedy and Roberts...Almost impossible to predict outcome but the pessimist in me thinks one of the two will uphold the “intent” of the law.


14 posted on 07/26/2014 8:26:00 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: Bogey78O

You are correct. Democrats thought that they could force republican governors into having a state exchange by making the subsidies contingent on having an exchange.

Not so fast.

The question now is whether the judicial branch is going allow the executive branch to change the statute without having to go back through congress...


15 posted on 07/26/2014 8:30:47 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: leapfrog0202

In the Daily Caller video it sounds like the Blue states that participated will continue to get the subsidies and the Red states that held out are SOL going “forward”. Obama once again shifts the car into D and drives over the Rs.


16 posted on 07/26/2014 8:34:02 AM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: Citizen Zed

Since when does something happen in Washington by accident?


17 posted on 07/26/2014 8:36:39 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Citizen Zed

Letting the states run the exchanges was a major part of the compromise. It wasn’t just a typo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbMmWhfZyEI


18 posted on 07/26/2014 8:45:42 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Citizen Zed

Either Clarence Page is dumber than a box of hammers, or he is a bald faced liar. Neither option speaks very well of him. Maybe he’s the Affirmative Action House Liar for the Chicago Tribune.


19 posted on 07/26/2014 8:45:42 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age didn’t end because we ran out of stones)
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To: Citizen Zed
Now health care for millions teeters on a typo.

clarence's brain teeters on the edge of insanity, typo my ass.

2700 pages of bureaucratic bullshit {that no one read} followed by 21,000 pages of regulations, that no one has still read, and this ain't no stinken typo.

What we have here, is a failure to communicate.

Good Bye, Luke...


20 posted on 07/26/2014 8:46:47 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: longfellowsmuse
the pessimist in me thinks one of the two will uphold the “intent” of the law.

You may be right, they may not have the guts to rule in a way that allows the Democrats to suffer the consequences of their own duplicity.

If they enacted the law the intention of which was to make every citizen buy a pony, and that law included a penalty for people who refused, and the penalty was that they got a skunk from the government, the court would say the skunk clause could be ignored because the the intent was to provide everyone with a pony.

21 posted on 07/26/2014 8:53:04 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Clarence Page is an Obama hack. It wasn’t a typo—it was planned to be that way so that, so the thinking went, Republican governors would be “FORCED” to create exchanges.

So says one of the architects of the death panel law.

Sorry, Clarence, your ignorance won’t sell here.


22 posted on 07/26/2014 8:54:34 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Bogey78O

He “misspoke” when he said it was a “typo”.


23 posted on 07/26/2014 8:54:42 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: Delta Dawn

Ironically (for Obama), many more states would have probably set up their own exchanges had the law not changed every six weeks at the whim of President Obama’s political calculations. In other words, he might have got the ‘hammer he desired by only allowing state exchanges to get subsidies’ had he not overwhelmed even friendly states with his illegal executive orders.

The larger picture is simple: Obama does not care about running the country. He cares only about winning the political argument of the moment. He succeeds at this pretty well (unfortunately), but the price of this success is to be a failure as a leader...which will ultimately be his true legacy.

In the mean time, he’s made an absolute mess out of the actual ACA law that was passed by congress and he’s adulterated the mechanisms of government that exist to make any changes to the law in a legal manner.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.


24 posted on 07/26/2014 8:55:28 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Bogey78O
If it’s the issue of subsidies, it’s not a typo. The author stated it was intentionally designed that way.

The liberal 'round-about' continues, and their control of the various media outlets allows it to happen...

Initial response...it's a type in the legislation. Clearly that wasn't the intent

A few days later, the renowned architect of the system is shown on tape in 2012 saying the intent is exactly what is in the legislation. The left responds - 'what he says is irrelevant. He didn't write the law.

Round and round we go.

25 posted on 07/26/2014 8:55:56 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Mustangman

Well said. And with the compliant media carrying his water, Obama gets away with this Alinskyite crap again and again.

I hope I’m wrong but I think the Supreme Court will evetuakky rule based on the intent of the law rather than the actual text of the law stating that subsidies flow through state exchanges, rather than a federal exchange.


26 posted on 07/26/2014 9:00:24 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Citizen Zed

Is Clarence Page still sucking up oxygen? I though he had passed a while ago.


27 posted on 07/26/2014 9:04:51 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

Hey Clarence is only 67.
He’s got a few more years before becoming a distinguished “senior” member of journ-0-list like Bob Schieffer or Dan Rather.


28 posted on 07/26/2014 9:06:33 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Citizen Zed

What BS! That was no typo. They put it in that deliberately, to (i) keep the cost estimates down, (ii) encourage state-run exchanges.


29 posted on 07/26/2014 9:16:07 AM PDT by expat2
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To: reefdiver
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Yep ... that pesky U.S. Constitution ... respecting States Rights ... keeps getting in the damned way ...


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30 posted on 07/26/2014 9:16:25 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: Citizen Zed

The fact that the same architect says, over and over, on tape, at the time that the law was passed and since, that Congress intended to limit the subsidies to states that established their own exchanges, and prohibit subsidies in states that relied on the federal government to establish the exchanges, is of no account.

Today’s story is that Congress intended all along to provide subsidies in all states, whether the states established the exchange or not.

So your memories of all of that talk about how holding the provision of subsidies over the states’ heads in order to force them to establish exchanges is just your overactive imagination. And all of that committee testimony in the Congressional Record and people saying the exact same thing into microphones is the same.

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31 posted on 07/26/2014 9:22:58 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: USS Alaska

Ain’t nobody that can eat fifty eggs...


32 posted on 07/26/2014 9:25:48 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Citizen Zed

This is pure propaganda to pressure the supremes and their clerks to change the plain text of the Obamacare law and its original political intent. The implied threat is the violence that will result when the po’folk don’t get their government freebies. Unfortunately Judge Roberts will again be the deciding vote.


33 posted on 07/26/2014 9:40:55 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Citizen Zed
Poor Gruber, the main author of Obamacare law: This arrogant SOB got caught with his pants down not once but twice, and now he is trying to talk his way out of it and trying to save Obamacare at the same time. It was no typo error. Highly smart people like Gruber don't make typo errors.

1. Grubers: We have all met Grubers in our lives.

2. They believe that they are the smartest persons in the room.

3 No mistakes: But the main thing about them is this: They believe that they don't make mistakes like us ordinary humans, or they believe that they rarely make mistakes.

3. My point is this: Gruber did not make a mistake when he talked about how only State exchanges could apply for Obamacare subsidies, because he said it at least twice. He knew exactly what he was saying. He knew exactly what the law said, because he wrote it. No typo error or excuse for Gruber. No "I was heavily medicated when i wrote it."

We also know that the law went through several revisions and proofreadings before it was finally accepted. So there is strong proof that what we see in the law is exactly what Gruber and Obama wanted in the law. Sorry, Gruber, but you messed up bigtime. So be it.

4. Since he wrote the law, I bet that he is one of the few persons who has actually read every word over and over. He probably even memorized the whole damn thing.

5. I can hear know-it-all Gruber defending himself:"Who are you going to believe, me or you own lying eyes?"

6. I say this to Gruber and his partner in crime Obama: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

34 posted on 07/26/2014 9:46:12 AM PDT by john mirse
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To: Jeff Chandler; longfellowsmuse

Baucus explained legislative intent in 2009. He says the tax credits go only to state exchanges; that, according to his argument/justification of Obamacare, is what makes the law legal:

http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/92861105023/video-sen-max-baucus-says-in-2009-obamacare-tax


35 posted on 07/26/2014 9:53:06 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

It’s rich, btw, to hear Baucus talk about the many amendments that will be made to the Obamacare bill. The DC polls are a cadre of out-of-control, lawless shysters. Even the Dems knew they should have allowed amendments. They are gangsters, every last one of them; they run a criminal syndicate.


36 posted on 07/26/2014 9:57:01 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I fear this too, but there is actually a much better legal argument for the letter of the law to be enforced. It is after all, what was actually intend by Congress and the POTUS. We shall see....


37 posted on 07/26/2014 9:59:12 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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To: Citizen Zed
and the Red states that held out are SOL going “forward”. Obama once again shifts the car into D and drives over the Rs.

I don't think it's the states who won't get subsidies, but the citizens of those states who buy insurance and otherwise qualify for a subsidy. And since those states did not set up state exchanges, the people not getting subsidies (if the law were followed as written) would be using the federal exchange.

38 posted on 07/26/2014 10:09:12 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Citizen Zed

It’s not a typo. It was a deliberate decision by congress to give subsidies and have the employer mandate only in states that created a state Obamacare exchange. It was the hammer to force states to have exchanges.

The statute is utterly clear in that regard. Jon Gruber, architect of Obamacare, said exactly that in 2012.

When only 14 states have adopted state exchanges, the IRS made up a rule that expanded the statute to state and federal exchanges. The result of that rule is a $600-$700 billion expansion in the federal budget. The IRS has no authority to spend money etc. But it did, big time.

Today’s narrative is that the clear language in Obamacare must have been a typo. That is a deliberate lie. Jon Gruber is now telling the lie de jour along with the rest of the administration and democrat party.


39 posted on 07/26/2014 10:29:44 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Haiku Guy
Ain’t nobody that can eat fifty eggs...

That Luke, he was a good ol' boy...


40 posted on 07/26/2014 10:40:46 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: USS Alaska

“Lucille!”


41 posted on 07/26/2014 10:41:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ModelBreaker; Citizen Zed
It was a deliberate decision by congress to give subsidies and have the employer mandate only in states that created a state Obamacare exchange.

Congress didn't write it, I don't even think they read it.

Some leftwing "think tank" probably wrote the thing.

I don't think Congress deserves any credit.

42 posted on 07/26/2014 10:55:17 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Clarence Page is an Obma operative.


43 posted on 07/26/2014 11:26:50 AM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Citizen Zed
The whole friggin bill's a "typo".

Erase it!

44 posted on 07/26/2014 11:48:19 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Haiku Guy

Ain’t nobody that can eat fifty eggs...

Dude, I think joey Chestnut can eat 50 of anything.


45 posted on 07/26/2014 12:01:50 PM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Undecided 2012

True (and Joey Chestnut can eat 141 boiled eggs, for the records).


46 posted on 07/26/2014 12:03:22 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Keep guacamole where it belongs: With Scoutmaster on the UT.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Well, one of the most brilliant women in the country (so we’re told) stated that we’d have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it ... They did that, and now we’re finding out what WASN’T in it, so they’re just going in and adding whenever they “forgot”.


47 posted on 07/26/2014 12:10:59 PM PDT by mikrofon (Nazi Pelousy)
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To: john mirse

I believe his uncle Fritz Gruber might have been the brother-in-law of General Hochstetter. He might have to get pass for being related to Gertrude…

48 posted on 07/26/2014 12:24:20 PM PDT by mikrofon (Charmin' fellow ;)
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To: ilgipper
A few days later, the renowned architect of the system is shown on tape in 2012 saying the intent is exactly what is in the legislation. The left responds - 'what he says is irrelevant. He didn't write the law.

Speaking of irrelevant, The House didn't write the law either!

In fact, it has been established beyond any argument whatsoever, that not a single member of the House at the time actually read it before they passed the bill!

Reasonably, discussion and debate must occur before a law is passed.

49 posted on 07/26/2014 3:18:01 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: Citizen Zed

bttt


50 posted on 07/27/2014 6:20:09 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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