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French father tried for ordering daughter's killer kidnapped from Germany
Montreal Gazette ^ | 27 July 2014 | AP

Posted on 07/27/2014 8:46:00 AM PDT by ameribbean expat

PARIS - A 76-year-old Frenchman has gone on trial for taking justice into his own hands after a decades-long mission to avenge his daughter's death.

Andre Bamberski is accused of ordering the kidnapping five years ago in Germany of retired doctor Dieter Krombach, who was tied up and dumped near a French courthouse to face charges in the 1982 death of Bamberski's 15-year-old daughter, Kalinka. Krombach was the girl's stepfather.

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1 posted on 07/27/2014 8:46:00 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: ameribbean expat

German doctor administers drug to French man’s daughter, with the intent, and commission of an act of rape.

I’d say the doctor is in deep doo-doo, and kudos to the restraint shown by the French father, for not exacting natural justice.


2 posted on 07/27/2014 8:51:25 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith

Sounds like the plot to a Jason Statham movie.


3 posted on 07/27/2014 8:53:11 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: ameribbean expat

There are some jobs that shouldn’t be subcontracted out.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 8:57:00 AM PDT by bgill
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To: ameribbean expat

Why didn’t he just kill the German? A lot more tidy


5 posted on 07/27/2014 8:57:04 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

Give him less time in prison (if he’s imprisoned at all) than the doctor got for the OTHER girl he drugged and raped!!


6 posted on 07/27/2014 9:03:45 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: ameribbean expat

Dad should have taken out the bastard who killed this beautiful young girl himself...

7 posted on 07/27/2014 9:05:18 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ameribbean expat

He should get an award for doing what Interpol would not or could not!


8 posted on 07/27/2014 9:06:45 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun free zones?)
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To: logic101.net
According to Wikipedia, he was given a one-year suspended jail sentence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalinka_Bamberski_case

9 posted on 07/27/2014 9:12:18 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: ameribbean expat
1997 conviction for drugging and raping a 16-year-old girl in his office. He pleaded guilty, and got a two-year suspended sentence.

I don't understand how you can get a slap on the wrist for such a crime. I can understand some leniency because he confessed, but to serve no jail time is criminal.

Does anybody understand the German mindset that considers rape so lightly?

The only thing good I can say about the doctor is that he learned between 1982 and 1997 how to administer the drug without killing the girl.

10 posted on 07/27/2014 9:16:10 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: montag813

He was probably going to torture him. No reason to keep him alive otherwise.


11 posted on 07/27/2014 9:19:01 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Terry L Smith

Similar to my thoughts... need an example of the difference between Western and Muslim civilization? The rule of law is either important or it isn’t. No honor killing here, simply a demand that a court do its job.

And he acted in a manner which I happen to support. I think things have gotten too cerebral. Too much paperwork. Too easy to pass the buck on down the line. I’ve been reading David Bromwich’s new biography of Edmund Burke. Struck by how George III was using cushy-job-well-paying-ministries-positions to compromise the establishment and keep Parliament on the defensive. Sounds all too familiar.


12 posted on 07/27/2014 9:23:30 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: ameribbean expat
I always dislike the term "You can't take the law into your own hands" - just who owns this "law"? - if the courts don't dispense it then what?

I believe in the Law until it interferes with Justice.

13 posted on 07/27/2014 9:24:59 AM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: ameribbean expat

These are the kinds of things that can happen when the legal system is corrupt. If it’s a jury trial, he walks. If it’s a star chamber, he goes to prison. I don’t know how it works in the EU, but I’d bet dollars to doughnut holes it is a star chamber.


14 posted on 07/27/2014 9:26:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Tai_Chung
I don't understand how you can get a slap on the wrist for such a crime.

I think a lot of it depends upon how much money you have to "redistribute." Pretty much like here in the US of A.

15 posted on 07/27/2014 9:28:05 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I was trying to remember the French criminal justice system. I believe judges are much more prominent there, than juries, but I can’t remember if that only relates to pretrial procedure or runs through the entire matter.


16 posted on 07/27/2014 9:28:52 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: SkyDancer
I always dislike the term "You can't take the law into your own hands"...

From the US "Declaration of Independence"

"To secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

That means "the law" starts in our own hands; we then delegate the powers to implement it to the government.

To say "you can't take the law into your own hands" makes no more sense than to say "If you've hired someone to mow your lawn, and they don't do a good job, you can't take lawn-mowing into your own hands".

17 posted on 07/27/2014 9:34:50 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Caipirabob

The Wiki page is confusing. In one line they say the girl’s stepfather was the German Doctor accused of killing her.
Elsewhere, this is contradicted, but never corrected.
The coroner’s report shows that the ‘girls’ genitals were removed and have never been found’. I didn’t know that was possible with a female without leaving a very conspicuous open cavity in the front of the body.


18 posted on 07/27/2014 9:36:26 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

OMG...horrifying!


19 posted on 07/27/2014 9:37:39 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: ameribbean expat

In Texas, we would sentence the doctor to death, and the girl’s dad would be ‘Father of the Year’.


20 posted on 07/27/2014 9:45:57 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: rabidralph

rabidralph wrote:
“Sounds like the plot to a Jason Statham movie.”

True, too true!
However, ol’ Jason might not be allowed, by the script, to show the restraint that the French father showed.

It is always way too easy to ‘cowboy’ this one out. This Frenchman “served his dish cold”!


21 posted on 07/27/2014 9:49:07 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: ameribbean expat

Innocent. Award the man a medal. His actions were little different from a bounty hunter, except motivated by justice, not the desire to earn a living.


22 posted on 07/27/2014 9:53:36 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: ameribbean expat

Guilty of littering, 50 Euro fine. The rapist/murderer should have been placed in dumpsters, since Paris is too beautiful to have such filth on its streets. [Note: the plural “dumpsters” is the correct word; the doctor should have been separated from various parts of his body so he could understand what he had done to his victim.]


23 posted on 07/27/2014 10:02:43 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Tai_Chung

“Does anybody understand the German mindset that considers rape so lightly?...”


No, I don’t understand it. Sounds more like a liberal mindset than a German mindset. Sort of like how Islam is called a Religion of Peace, when they kill and mutilate people at will.


24 posted on 07/27/2014 10:14:32 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: lee martell
The coroner’s report shows that the ‘girls’ genitals were removed and have never been found’. I didn’t know that was possible with a female without leaving a very conspicuous open cavity in the front of the body.

It reads like that occurred as part of the autopsy, not at the crime scene. If that's part of a normal autopsy procedure, it's a factoid I could've done without knowing.

25 posted on 07/27/2014 10:36:32 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Gumdrop

Maybe the German court can convict the father in absentia and sentence him to a suspended sentence.


26 posted on 07/27/2014 10:44:36 AM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: Tai_Chung

German ‘justice’ let the nut who stabbed the female tennis player go free.


27 posted on 07/27/2014 10:55:08 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Tai_Chung

The Polak was 71 years old when he hired the help. Why not take care of business himself? That’s what I would have done. Get affairs in order first.


28 posted on 07/27/2014 10:57:01 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: ameribbean expat

I don’t understand this. They successfully kidnapped the guy. As soon as they crossed the border into France they should have put a bullet in his head and dumped him in a river. Done and done.


29 posted on 07/27/2014 11:23:04 AM PDT by strider44
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To: Tai_Chung

“German mindset.”
??????
You know, some might call that bigotry.


30 posted on 07/27/2014 11:32:40 AM PDT by clbiel (Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being decapitated)
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To: ameribbean expat

No juries at all. Guilt and sentencing done by judges.


31 posted on 07/27/2014 11:41:57 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Tai_Chung

“Does anybody understand the German mindset that considers rape so lightly?”

Yes, it perpetuates the Aryan race.


32 posted on 07/27/2014 11:52:24 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: ameribbean expat

Shoot, shovel and shut up. He did it wrong.


33 posted on 07/27/2014 11:56:10 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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To: Terry L Smith

Agreed.

The source article also says, BTW, that the doctor raped a 16-year-old girl using the same MO but got a slap on the wrist.


34 posted on 07/27/2014 12:05:56 PM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

You forgot the hot lime.


35 posted on 07/27/2014 6:57:47 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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