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Fashion industry, retailers and the gender binary
Associated Press ^ | Jul 28, 2014 8:59 PM EDT | Leanne Italie

Posted on 07/28/2014 10:40:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai

As a transgender woman who began her transition about a year ago, Kylie Jack is still figuring out her fashion style, but she wanted one thing right away: well-fitting bras.

Friends recommended Petticoat Fair in Austin, Texas, where she lives. The lingerie shop is known for one-on-one fittings, but Jack was denied access to the area where professionals work privately with customers after being asked if she was an anatomical female. […]

A gender binary exists in fashion, and that’s a challenge for those who don’t conform. Masculine-presenting women are often destined for boys’ departments or bad fits, while people born male who transition or simply like to dress in femme clothes sometimes don’t know what to expect in sizing or from sales clerks. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: asspress; corporateliberalism; crossdressing; dramaqueens; fashion; gaynewsrooms; homofascism; homosexualagenda; lookatme; pinkjournalism; transgender; transvestites

1 posted on 07/28/2014 10:40:58 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Mutilate yourself and wonder why the clothes don’t fit? Really? Boo fricking hoo. call the Waaahmbulance.


2 posted on 07/28/2014 10:44:51 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Olog-hai; Mark17; AlexW
Is it any wonder thousands are leaving to become expatriates every day?
3 posted on 07/28/2014 10:45:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The emergency waambulance system originated with liberalism and their perpetual false-victim status.


4 posted on 07/28/2014 10:45:59 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Spike Jones All Girl Band!
5 posted on 07/28/2014 10:52:22 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Olog-hai
Masculine-presenting women

Um. no.... it's a man

6 posted on 07/28/2014 10:56:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Olog-hai
I went to the site to read the entire article and have to admit, I didn't understand more than half if the article!

Not merely words like "masculine presenting" but most of the rest of what this woman was quoting these people as saying!

Total BS psychobabble!

Lord save us from this!

7 posted on 07/28/2014 10:57:18 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Olog-hai
As a transgender woman who began her transition about a year ago, Kylie Jack is still figuring out her fashion style, but she wanted one thing right away: well-fitting bras.


8 posted on 07/28/2014 10:59:19 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Olog-hai

Everyone is a Victim, victim of this, victim of that, now we have victims of the fashion industry boo hoo, meanwhile the economy is burning to the ground and the borders are wide open...


9 posted on 07/28/2014 10:59:40 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: GeronL

Actually, those are women. Unless you’re calling Chaz Bono a man?


10 posted on 07/28/2014 10:59:42 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Talisker

That is definitely the right response


11 posted on 07/28/2014 11:00:11 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Olog-hai

They make it confusing on purpose


12 posted on 07/28/2014 11:00:51 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Olog-hai

I really don’t have a problem with this. I mean, women crossdress all the time. They wear boys jeans, shirts, shoes and sometimes the underwear. I have met crossdressers in the malls and out to eat. No biggie. Who cares? If that’s what they want, then so be it. By the way, I’m skinny and my wife wears my levis all the time and I think she looks hot in them. And when she wears nothing but one of my flannel shirts, she’s hot


13 posted on 07/28/2014 11:01:48 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: Olog-hai

A two to three percentage point customer base has very little profit potential except for the expensive specialty items.


14 posted on 07/28/2014 11:02:47 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: realcleanguy

You sure you are on the right forum?


15 posted on 07/28/2014 11:03:23 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL

To be sure.


16 posted on 07/28/2014 11:03:41 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

LOL, yeah, I’m on the right forum. Don’t get your panties in a knot. Who cares what they do? I don’t. I’m too worried about saving my retirement IRA and keeping weeds out of the garden. And planting more fruit trees. I could give a rats you know what about transgenders and such. They can’t impact my live at all


17 posted on 07/28/2014 11:06:13 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: GeronL

[ Masculine-presenting women

Um. no.... it’s a man ]

Funny story, I once met a woman who literally looked like she was a man in drag and she had two children that she had actually given birth to. Wow, she wasn’t even Asian and she had a Asian Surname, MAN-LEE... That was a joke.

The funny thing was that she would actually have looked better had she not tried so hard to cake makeup and mascara on, she literally looked like a drag queen...

I kinda felt sorry for her, I could only imagine how many times she was actually mistaken for a man in drag.


18 posted on 07/28/2014 11:06:25 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: GraceG

that is pretty messed up


19 posted on 07/28/2014 11:08:02 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: realcleanguy

Your reaction shows a certain intent.

If you’re going to worry about your retirement money more than the moral state of the country, you won’t have any. Yes, they do impact your life, especially if they arouse God to start fighting against the country. I wonder if you believe that?


20 posted on 07/28/2014 11:11:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: realcleanguy

[ I really don’t have a problem with this. I mean, women crossdress all the time. They wear boys jeans, shirts, shoes and sometimes the underwear. I have met crossdressers in the malls and out to eat. No biggie. Who cares? If that’s what they want, then so be it. By the way, I’m skinny and my wife wears my levis all the time and I think she looks hot in them. And when she wears nothing but one of my flannel shirts, she’s hot ]

When I wear a flannel shirt, it is cute, when someone who is a “Butch” wears a flannel shirt it is a walking chiche...

There is a bit of a double standard, but it depends on the situation, I grew up on a farm and always wore practical work clothing, which was sometimes mens shirts, overalls, gloves, and boots etc... But that was from a very practical situation and it was like pulling teeth to find practical farm clothing for women that didn’t fall apart.

However from my practical perspective as a farm girl going out and running a tractor in pumps and an skirt is not very practical or safe, and as men are expected to do a lot more physical work it would be better to keep them safe...

I think the reason women can get away more with wearing “mens” clothing is that it in general is just more practical clothing. I usually wear pants, granted they are fitted and cut like the potus pants, which means they fit me and the girly Obama. But I can wear nice blouse with them when I am at work or when i get home put on a “work shirt” and get stuff done around the house and yard that needs to get done.


21 posted on 07/28/2014 11:15:40 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: GeronL

[ that is pretty messed up ]

I know, I really feel sorry for her, I would have hated to be stuck with such a body, she would have looked more feminine in a suit of viking armor with a hat with horns on it and long blonde braids than the sundresses she wore.


22 posted on 07/28/2014 11:17:24 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: zerosix

The thing is that from the picture in the article the “it” didn’t look all that “many” but probably the voice is what “gives it away”.

I swear i have been in public and you think you see a female and all of the sudden the mouth opens up and it is this weird really voice that is across between truck driver and monty python falsetto that comes out and you instantly just know that is a dude in a dress no matter how “good” they look. Or you see what looks like is a shrimpy “guy” and they open their mouth to speak and you instantly think Chaz bono of really manly lesbian...

Either that or they stumble around like a linebacker when they walk, there are a lot of “tells” if you watch people at a mall you can spot the weird ones easily, even if they look the part.


23 posted on 07/28/2014 11:24:05 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Olog-hai

There are plenty of guides online that help anyone fit themselves (sister-in-law is a fashion designer), and there are no doubt plenty of places online that sell to men who want to wear women’s clothing. This isn’t about being able to buy clothing; this is about trying to make a political statement (as so many of these people try to do).


24 posted on 07/28/2014 11:25:52 PM PDT by Little Pig
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To: Olog-hai
Forcing me to participate in another person's delusion will not cure their illness.

This is akin to giving a man that believes that he's Napolean a funny hat and a sword and telling him that if he invades Russia he'll feel better about himself.

25 posted on 07/28/2014 11:30:08 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: Olog-hai
Just more militant disruption, this time directed at a fashion industry who's main customers are (real) women and who's main focus is flattery of the female figure and emphasis of femininity. The LBGT community is so tiny with so many different body shapes that niche designers won't ever make money so they're trying to exploit the large fashion houses on one hand and small businesses (what do you mean I can't use this dressing room?) on the other.
26 posted on 07/28/2014 11:41:31 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is not much in the way of PC here. Lots of gays, but no real political power to speak of. Sometimes these guys look better than women and I have to sometimes ask my wife if the person we see is male or female.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 12:28:19 AM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero plays a fiddle, while Obama plays Minnesota Fats)
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To: Olog-hai

In the mid-70s while in high school, I worked at Gottchalks (Fresno Fashion Fair mall) in the teen dept. I was also a “Hi Deb” (model).

A very short homosexual with long curly hair (the guy floated and twittered around the clothing racks...), came into the dept. and started picking out various clothing. He asked for the little tag you hang on a dressing room door to show it was occupied and how many items of clothing you were taking into the changing room.

No. You can use the men’s changing rooms across the way. He threw a hissy-fit, demanding to use a female room. Nope. He demanded the manager, which I gladly called.

The manager did not blink, telling him to use the men’s changing rooms or shop somewhere else. The homosexual threw the clothes on the floor and huffed out.

The manager went back to his office, shoulders shaking with quiet laughter.

That was my first encounter with one.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 12:38:55 AM PDT by hearthwench (Debbi - Mom, NaNa, and always ornery)
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To: zerosix

Libs are absolutely wrecking the English language.


29 posted on 07/29/2014 4:08:25 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Olog-hai

Link to the full-text Free Republic thread.

30 posted on 07/29/2014 5:12:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: realcleanguy

If you’re trying to equate a slim woman wearing boys’ jeans that happen to fit her with a mentally-ill, depraved, self-mutilating queer freak, you need help.

And if you truly think this nation’s embrace of such sick, immoral perversion will have no impact or effect, I suggest it’s time for you to wake up. Perusal of the Bible would help you get a realistic grip on the situation.


31 posted on 07/29/2014 7:19:05 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: zerosix

Didn’t the problems of acquiring a cross-dresser’s wardrobe used to get covered in niche publications for fetishists?

Why is American Pravda focusing on a minority set of the already minority block of homosexualists (who make up 2% of the population)?


32 posted on 07/29/2014 10:29:46 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: Eagles6
This is akin to giving a man that believes that he's Napolean a funny hat and a sword and telling him that if he invades Russia he'll feel better about himself.

Remember,it's BAD for a sports franchise to call themselves "Indians" but okay for Democrats to do so.


33 posted on 07/29/2014 10:33:19 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: a fool in paradise

America’s new sweetheart.


34 posted on 07/29/2014 10:35:37 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: a fool in paradise
You are absolutely correct in that "wardrobe issues for cross-dressers, tranney's (I never even knew that there was such a thing) and other sexual fetishes" were only covered in "alternative publications" or the kind of newsletters that one could pick up at specialty types of businesses (once upon a time, some of health food stores and vegan restaurants/delis were but a couple of types of these businesses but since Whole Foods has become mainstream, I guess they are no longer fringe stores.)

At any rate, there were specific types of publications that almost resembled mimeograph copies (tells you how old I am) that carried these publications featuring strange ads hinting at unusual sexual services, drug paraphernalia, etc. with articles regarding where to find lingerie that ran in men's "big and tall" sizes, or which stores featured "sensitive sales personnel" when asking for personal fitting help.

As you state, now this kind of article is appearing in "mainline" publications (does AP qualify to be called "mainline" or has "mainline" become "fringe fetish today?) which now produce "fringe fetish" as "news."

Somehow, though not understanding most of the words or terms used, the author of this article implies that I'm somehow supposed to care about the fact that people are being humiliated because their body types don't fit into the available clothing lines at most traditional clothing and/or department stores.

I might sympathize with these shoppers were their fitting "issues" not cloaked in psychobabble of fringe homosexual tendencies.

I not only don't care, I'm offended.

35 posted on 07/29/2014 12:17:07 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: zerosix
(AP) BRAKING HARD: SQUARE PEGS DON'T FIT IN ROUND HOLES!
36 posted on 07/29/2014 12:19:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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