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Why Hoboken is Throwing Away All of its Student Laptops
WNYC News -- The Hechinger Report ^ | 7-29-14 | Jill Barshay

Posted on 07/29/2014 5:14:55 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

Inside Hoboken’s combined junior-senior high school is a storage closet. Behind the locked door, some mothballed laptop computers are strewn among brown cardboard boxes. Others are stacked one atop another. Dozens more are stored on mobile computer carts, many of them on their last legs.

That’s all that remains from a failed experiment to assign every student a laptop at Hoboken Junior Senior High School. It began five years ago with an unexpected windfall of stimulus money from Washington, D.C., and good intentions to help the district’s students, the majority of whom are under or near the poverty line, keep up with their wealthier peers. But Hoboken faced problem after problem and is abandoning the laptops entirely this summer.

“We had the money to buy them, but maybe not the best implementation,” said Mark Toback, the current superintendent of Hoboken School District. “It became unsustainable.”

None of the school administrators who initiated Hoboken’s one-to-one laptop program still work there. Toback agreed to share Hoboken’s experiences so that other schools can learn from it.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnyc.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Education
KEYWORDS: arth; classroomcomputers; education; hoboken; newjersey; tech
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1 posted on 07/29/2014 5:14:56 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

How interesting!


2 posted on 07/29/2014 5:15:17 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Who didn’t see this coming?


3 posted on 07/29/2014 5:17:35 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

How many of the laptops were sold to pay for crack?


4 posted on 07/29/2014 5:17:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: afraidfortherepublic

so home much “Stimulus money” was laundered through education to make it to Apple to be donated back to Dems?


5 posted on 07/29/2014 5:19:23 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
do I really have to say it???

6 posted on 07/29/2014 5:19:32 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Learning is a multi-faceted experience. The more immersive the environment, the more likely a student will learn. The more that is done for the student, the less he will learn.

If it were up to me, a student would have a textbook, pens and paper, and math or science charts only.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 5:20:35 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Jonty30
If it were up to me, a student would have a textbook, pens and paper, and math or science charts only.

I agree.

8 posted on 07/29/2014 5:21:10 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I taught for several years in a technical college where every student had a laptop (paid for with student fees). While the faculty was trained in using the laptops in teaching and they opened some new teaching opportunities, most students spent their class time posting to facebook, texting and surfing the web. I started having my students close their laptops during my lectures. Our local school district has now given junior high students tablets and I’m sure their real experience will be little different.


9 posted on 07/29/2014 5:21:50 PM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: afraidfortherepublic
You haven't seen anything yet. Los Angeles Unified has had the “writing on the wall” for some time and they have reused to face the premonition.
10 posted on 07/29/2014 5:22:37 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Laptops for everyone. What could go wrong?

A perfect picture of a collectivist program and its results.


11 posted on 07/29/2014 5:23:23 PM PDT by lurk
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To: afraidfortherepublic
an unexpected windfall of stimulus money from Washington, D.C., and good intentions

Liberals.

What more can you say?

12 posted on 07/29/2014 5:23:57 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Harvey Dent, can we trust him?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBsdV--kLoQ)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
In hindsight, those laptops are useless if Excel can't handle CommonCore math.

-PJ

13 posted on 07/29/2014 5:24:11 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Kill ‘em all and let God sort it out”? ;’)


14 posted on 07/29/2014 5:26:23 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: All

Obama’s stash dried up and what he has left is going to illegals... hopebroken and change...


15 posted on 07/29/2014 5:26:25 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Here's the executive summary:

  1. The students smashed the laptops.
  2. They got specially reinforced laptops, and the students smashed those too.
  3. The laptops were used to view pornography. When anti-porn software was installed, it caused the laptops to crash.
  4. The laptops were used to play on-line games. When anti-gaming software was installed, it caused the laptops to slow down and crash.
  5. The laptops were stolen. The administrator of the program had to spend time testifying in court in theft cases brought by the school district.
  6. The only teacher who would talk about something positive that he wanted to do with the student laptops (a math teacher) said that the laptops were so slow - due to all the anti-porn and anti-game software that had been installed - that the graphing calculator app he wanted to demonstrate wouldn't work.
  7. Every person involved with launching the program and implementing it has left the school district.
  8. Now it's going to cost money to throw away the laptops that are left.

16 posted on 07/29/2014 5:26:47 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Jonty30

If it were up to me, a student would have a textbook, pens and paper, and math or science charts only.”

Like we used to have back one could learn something in public school. Although later some students required a slide rule or an abacus.


17 posted on 07/29/2014 5:28:49 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

What a bunch of idiots. I know they do it at several schools around here and it works great.

They sure hire idiots.


18 posted on 07/29/2014 5:29:55 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Steely Tom

Students deliberately sabotage the computers, and they’re very good at it.


19 posted on 07/29/2014 5:32:31 PM PDT by grania
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To: angry elephant

There is no better way to learn. I think the only way one could improve upon that is through virtual reality where a student could interact with a teacher repeatedly until the subject material was mastered.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 5:34:54 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Steely Tom

Excellent summary!


21 posted on 07/29/2014 5:36:37 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RIghtwardHo

-——What a bunch of idiots. I know they do it at several schools around here and it works great.-——

The problem I believe is one of demographics rather than hiring idiots....

We are talking about Hoboken....

Vast numbers of the students are raised in a gibsmedat environment so taking care of an expensive laptop is not a “value” that is taught at home...


22 posted on 07/29/2014 5:40:01 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This school district is giving them all IPADS from grade 6 and up.

Crazy


23 posted on 07/29/2014 5:40:06 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Saw similar thing in Jersey City number years ago

Used grants to buy computers(desktop) for every classroom

Kids would vandalize them - break CD rom drives, cut kb/mouse
and other cables


24 posted on 07/29/2014 5:41:07 PM PDT by njslim (T)
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To: dfwgator
If it were up to me, a student would have a textbook, pens and paper, and math or science charts only.

I agree.

Then I'm glad you two aren't in charge of supplying students with educational necessities. There are language flash cards, sheet music, and so many other things. Sounds like you two guys went to school when they didn't teach Mandarin, Japanese, and so forth. My grandchildren are learning Greek.

25 posted on 07/29/2014 5:42:22 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Put Linux on those laptops and they’ll run like new. They can also kiosk-mode Firefox to lock down the browser.


26 posted on 07/29/2014 5:44:03 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: grania

The Catholic schools around here use iPads but they have a disciplinary system also and the ability to enforce it.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 5:45:47 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Popman

Huh? Hoboken is not exactly known for its “gibsmedat environment.”


28 posted on 07/29/2014 5:50:28 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: nascarnation
If discipline is weak and there are no consequence for destroying the property, a good percentage of the students sabotage it. They didn't pay for it and won't be responsible for paying for what they destroy.

I was in a situation where they used computers for testing an incoming Freshman class. It was a teacher-intensive mess to supervise.

29 posted on 07/29/2014 5:51:07 PM PDT by grania
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30 posted on 07/29/2014 5:52:54 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: nascarnation

It’s all in implementation and policy. Block You Tube, Facebook, etc. It’s doable. I set up an entire school with tablets with managed content. Even the teachers couldn’t buy anything without approval. Kids and parents sign a notice of responsibility and the kid keeps the same device through their time at the school. Lock them up in a charging cart until ready to use in class and then you have the kids sign them out. Parents are financially responsible for damage. You set up the appropriate filters and policies and they are a fantastic tool to supplement instruction. Notice I said supplement, not replace. Sounds like this district was clueless.


31 posted on 07/29/2014 5:53:39 PM PDT by nurees (Oh...there is a NEW Mexico (Homer Simpson))
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Really interesting, but not unexpected result.


32 posted on 07/29/2014 5:55:21 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Turmoil in the Middle East? Quick Obama, show them your Peace Prize!)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

You know... I stand corrected.... I was thinking Camden for some reason....


33 posted on 07/29/2014 5:57:40 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

When the lights go out, 300,000,000 Americans will die within a month. Won’t have a clue what to do, nor how to get back to where they were.


34 posted on 07/29/2014 5:58:50 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Up yours IRS!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

35 posted on 07/29/2014 5:58:54 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Jonty30

Computers, with rare exception, have amplified “income inequality”, in that they make smarter people more capable, and the...uhhh...”less smart” less capable. Even FR is a mixed bag, a time-suck, although it may have improved my writing and critical thinking skills. Perhaps it’s sharpened my wit.

Anyway, this school really, really should have used the Internet and consulted the best practices that a business would have maintaining a fleet of equipment. I’ll bet that instead, they gave $xxxx extra to the social studies teacher to help run the show. The article describes mistakes that a for-profit company would NEVER have made.

First thing, each student should have been made aware that having one was a “shared responsibility”.


36 posted on 07/29/2014 5:59:31 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Everyone in unison - DUUUUUUUUUUH!


37 posted on 07/29/2014 5:59:55 PM PDT by bgill
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Has anyone bothered to find out if kids are actually learning anything when they have a computer thrown at them?

My kids did JUST FINE (and by that I means years ahead of their age level) NEVER using a computer to learn on, even though all the losers around them had computers (and I-Phones).

We built Hoover Dam, got to the Moon, built the Space Shuttle, and the 747 with people that someone managed to get educated without the use of computers - it really can be done.


38 posted on 07/29/2014 6:03:12 PM PDT by BobL
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To: ClearCase_guy

” and good intentions”

I would lime for somebody to tell me how taking money from some by force so as to give to others (while taking credit, power and glory for oneself) is “good intentions”.


39 posted on 07/29/2014 6:04:23 PM PDT by all the best
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To: nurees

My kids all get laptops from school. Not sure if they are allowed in class. They don’t have access to facebook, etc. I think google may even be off limits, or they have filters on it. (They often use their own computers for research, photos, etc.) All in all it works out okay, except once-in-awhile the teachers make them do something using some online software that is stupid and unwieldy. It wouldn’t surprise me if some of that crap the teachers get a kick-back on!

Two days before returning one computer my daughter put a heavy book on it and cracked the screen! $80 or something. Last year some key kept coming off right from the get-go. I saved it in a plastic bag and glued it back in place the day before turning it in.


40 posted on 07/29/2014 6:04:36 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Should have forced them to build them themselves, just for starters. (Facebook for ____hours for successful task) Then, in order to use them, pass the ABCs of programming, and/or component building, or interelated tasks.


41 posted on 07/29/2014 6:08:23 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
It began five years ago with an unexpected windfall of stimulus money from Washington, D.C.,

Loot from the working stiff becomes free money from the politicians.

42 posted on 07/29/2014 6:10:27 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Actually, I have to ADMIRE those kids for trashing their laptops...they seem to be the ONLY PEOPLE to realize that computers are USELESS as learning tools and they want NOTHING to do with them.

Even the one lady to vote against them thinks it’s only a problem of implementation, and therefore not endemic. Sounds a lot like what the Communists (in the US) said about Communism...one you get it right, all will be wonderful.


43 posted on 07/29/2014 6:10:52 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL

They used sliderules. We still have one.


44 posted on 07/29/2014 6:11:39 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: BobL
Yea, every new generation thinks Communism will work with them in charge.
All in the name of fairness, then the death marches begin.
45 posted on 07/29/2014 6:20:57 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

The working stiffs are among the most uninformed of Americans. Too busy to learn, I suppose.


46 posted on 07/29/2014 6:22:24 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Laptops only work for the literate. That shut out a BUNCH of students.


47 posted on 07/29/2014 6:27:47 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: The Antiyuppie

I wouldn’t say that computers have helped anybody because for all people, regardless of their abilities, a computer hinders the immersive aspect for all learners. It may be easier to deal with if one is highly visual or auditory, because for a visual or audio learner the most important need to learn is to see or hear the material.

Somebody who is a kinesthetic learner, regardless of his ability, would be at a disadvantage because can’t use his modal of learning to learn.


48 posted on 07/29/2014 6:33:39 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Problem 1: Accepting “free” money.
Problem 2: Not having any idea how to use the computers before they were purchased.
Problem 3: Not analyzing the capabilities of the machines required to meet the needs identified in the nonexistent plan/idea/concept on how to use the computers.
Problem 4: Purchasing a raft of computers that were inadequate to the ill-/un-defined requirements.
Problem 5: Failure to identify training requirements for the teachers and the students.
Problem 6: Giving a computer to each teacher who apparently were not skilled enough to know how to use them.
Problem 7: Not implementing a robust enough network to support the computers because the school system had no idea what the requirements were.
Problem 8: Giving a computer to each student when the average student in the school system had no respect for property.


49 posted on 07/29/2014 6:42:57 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Each year, a new crop of seventh graders were outfitted. Crocamo’s small tech staff was quickly overwhelmed with repairs.

We had “half a dozen kids in a day, on a regular basis, bringing laptops down, going ‘my books fell on top of it, somebody sat on it, I dropped it,’ ” said Crocamo.

Screens cracked. Batteries died. Keys popped off. Viruses attacked. Crocamo found that teenagers with laptops are still… teenagers.

Yep. Seen this.

“We bought laptops that had reinforced hard-shell cases so that we could try to offset some of the damage these kids were going to do,” said Crocamo. “I was pretty impressed with some of the damage they did anyway. Some of the laptops would come back to us completely destroyed.”

Yep. Seeing this here in LAUSD.

Hoboken school officials were also worried they couldn’t control which websites students would visit. Crocamo installed software to block pornography, gaming sites and Facebook. He disabled the built-in web cameras. He even installed software to block students from undoing these controls. But Crocamo says students found forums on the Internet that showed them how to access everything.

“There is no more determined hacker, so to speak, than a 12-year-old who has a computer,” said Crocamo.

Yep. My students have shown ME things on the internet. Things I was like "Wait... how did you... OH, MAKE THAT GO AWAY!!"

All this security software also bogged down the computers. Teachers complained it took 20 minutes for them to boot up, only to crash afterwards.

Yep. Exactly my experience. Tech is a nightmare to work with. You have to have a full-time tech support guy in the room with you or it's just more trouble than it's worth. I tried at first, I really did, but eventually I was just like "Nope. We are returning to the land of whiteboards, books, papers, and pens."

50 posted on 07/29/2014 6:43:24 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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