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Paul Singer: This threat is 'head-and-shoulders' above all others
CNBC ^ | 7/29/14 | Lawrence Delevingne

Posted on 07/29/2014 6:23:35 PM PDT by Kartographer

"(A natural EMP event) today would cause a massive disruption to the electric grid, possibly shutting it down entirely for months or longer, with unimaginable consequences," Singer wrote. "Only two years ago, the sun let loose with a Carrington-magnitude burst, but the position of the earth at the time prevented the burst from hitting it. The chances of additional events of such magnitude may be far greater than most people think." Carrington refers to a solar storm in 1859 that caused telegraph systems to fail around the world.

Singer warned that a man-made EMP attack would be even worse.

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Lights Out!
1 posted on 07/29/2014 6:23:36 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

I posted this in spite of being told by a number of FReepers that there is no such thing as EMP.


2 posted on 07/29/2014 6:25:18 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I actually remember William F. Buckley warning of just that. I think it was way back in the 60s but might have been the 70s.

At the time he was thinking more of Communist Saboteurs but still the same idea.


3 posted on 07/29/2014 6:27:13 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Kartographer

As long as they get things back online by football season.


4 posted on 07/29/2014 6:29:17 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: Kartographer

I’d be OK but my kids would have to learn to play outside.


5 posted on 07/29/2014 6:32:30 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: Kartographer

Gee, I wonder who benefits by an event that takes us back to the 7th century?


6 posted on 07/29/2014 6:32:38 PM PDT by Defiant (4 main US grps: conservatives, useless idiots (aka RINOs), marxists and useful idiots (aka liberals))
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To: Defiant

Well it would get rid of the unprepared which I’m guessing is the 39% who still think Oblahblah is doing a good job. :-)


7 posted on 07/29/2014 6:35:35 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kartographer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_obUmZ-wcbI


8 posted on 07/29/2014 6:35:53 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Kartographer

There is, it’s called Hussein obongo


9 posted on 07/29/2014 6:36:33 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: outofsalt

You would most likely be arrested for child abuse. ;-)


10 posted on 07/29/2014 6:37:58 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
The global elite are getting ready to hit the Earth's "reset" button in the name of UN Agenda 21 to reduce the population to 500,000,000.

I'd much rather have the "reset" button hit by a natural event than by them. A natural event would be an equal-opportunity killer. The global elite will exempt themselves.

11 posted on 07/29/2014 6:38:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Kartographer

“Singer warned that a man-made EMP attack would be even worse.”

He’s probably wrong about that. Unless it’s a megaton size blast at 250 miles up and optimized for EMP... That’s pretty unlikely.


12 posted on 07/29/2014 6:38:13 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Kartographer

Judge Jeanine Pirro also thinks this is the biggest threat.


13 posted on 07/29/2014 6:41:56 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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To: babygene

And somehow travels all over the northern hemisphere.


14 posted on 07/29/2014 6:43:42 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: Kartographer

Here is the entire movie “Remnants” on youtube, it is about after an EMP event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8icNGpE340


15 posted on 07/29/2014 6:45:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I was thinking more in terms of the savages whose profit told them that their moon god wanted things to stay as they were in the 7th century. Told them how to take a dump, dress, have sex, have many wives, and kill an infidel.


16 posted on 07/29/2014 6:47:03 PM PDT by Defiant (4 main US grps: conservatives, useless idiots (aka RINOs), marxists and useful idiots (aka liberals))
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To: outofsalt

Will the edges on my skis melt?


17 posted on 07/29/2014 6:52:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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18 posted on 07/29/2014 6:57:26 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Paladin2
Dont' throw the away yet. They might still be useful.

19 posted on 07/29/2014 6:58:35 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: Kartographer

The danger from an EMP engineered by Barry Soetoro is orders of magnitude greater than from a natural event.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 7:02:17 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Kartographer

Lights Out! by David Crawford

is a good read


21 posted on 07/29/2014 7:03:56 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Kartographer

But Russia might annex part of Ukraine...

/s


22 posted on 07/29/2014 7:04:42 PM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: doug from upland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_obUmZ-wcbI

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I don’t believe in numerology but there are plenty of warning signs of bad stuff to come and good stuff. In general machines are getting stronger and people are getting weaker. Safe to say the future won’t be anything like the present, or the past for that matter.


23 posted on 07/29/2014 7:12:10 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The global elite will exempt themselves.

I won't.

/johnny

24 posted on 07/29/2014 7:24:14 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

He must have been listening to the fist half of this from Friday. Something’s up.
http://youtu.be/cBIfWkZMHI4


25 posted on 07/29/2014 7:29:51 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: ckilmer

As David Puddy said “It’s gonna’ be rough.”


26 posted on 07/29/2014 7:32:36 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: Kartographer

The Carrington effect MELTED the telegraph lines.

A natural EMP would not be world-wide, but the domino-effect from the effected area would be. All the cable lines, power lines, phone lines, would become conduits of this charge, with the possibilities of the iniital charge ramping up, with the increase of resistance in those lines. All motors would be de-gaussed to a negative state, or even reversed polarity. Anything electronic would be turned neutral, and therefore useless, and dormant. That would include all medical aids to the living, external and internal. All battery sources would become inert, with no chance of regeneration, whether installed in something, or on the store shelf.

So, no lights, no phones, no radios or tv’s, no power to keep food or to cook, no banking or atm’s.

(Gee, i wonder who the low intelligence crowd would blame for this, Bush?)


27 posted on 07/29/2014 7:35:02 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: ckilmer

The movie was not about numerology. It was about an far advanced galactic civilization that knew what was going to happen to earth. The numbers were a code so they someone could figure it out and see earth’s demise.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 7:37:58 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: Kartographer
Of course there is such a thing as EMP. Whether we could create one and direct it well enough to make it an effective weapon is not as certain but the phenomenon certainly exists.
29 posted on 07/29/2014 7:43:27 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Kartographer

The after the next year or so, likelihood will only diminish, at least for another 9-10 years.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/astronomy/the-solar-cycle-1/15070128

http://iopscience.iop.org/2041-8205/712/1/L77/article

Reporting seems hyperbolic.


30 posted on 07/29/2014 7:43:47 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Kartographer; yarddog; doug from upland; E. Pluribus Unum; babygene

If emp events natural or otherwise — can just be put off for another 40 years or so a large section of the population will be off the grid.

In only 6 years or so the solar people are saying their stuff will reach grid parity everywhere without government supports. After that, its reasonable to expect that solar uptake will increase many fold from its already high increase rate.

In 10-15 years or so 4th generation portable nuclear power plants will come on-steam and pretty much break the grid up into much smaller independent pieces.

I think a lot of capabilities that are dependent on satellites currently in a couple decades will return to earth. Anyhow, seems to me, I’ve seen articles on military research to mitigate the vulnerabilities of US satellites to Chinese attack by returning some of their capabilities to earth and simultaneously making them faster and more robust. Any development here would likely be further off


31 posted on 07/29/2014 7:44:28 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer

You sound like a Popular Science article from 1952.


32 posted on 07/29/2014 7:49:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Kartographer

I think some people are more worried about losing their smart phones.


33 posted on 07/29/2014 7:52:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Kartographer
Lights out
Martial law
FEMA camps
Permanent Obama government
34 posted on 07/29/2014 7:58:08 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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To: outofsalt

[ I’d be OK but my kids would have to learn to play outside. ]

The kids would adapt quicker than the adults!


35 posted on 07/29/2014 8:16:35 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You sound like a Popular Science article from 1952.
.............
Well its true that part of the excitement of the 1950’s and 60’s was that space travel was right around the corner and too cheap to meter electric energy byo nuclear power would soon be a reality. (Less well known was the water world’s ambition to make very cheap water desalination to turn the deserts green.)

All that died in the 1970’s for many reasons. The great breakthrough actually happened from 1966-70 in nuclear research with lftr thorium reactors that promised to collapse the cost of electricity. But the prototype nuclear power plants were shelved because they weren’t dual use. The problems involved with going into space proved to be non trivial and funding for major ventures dried up after the 1973 OPEC oil strike began the long 40 year decapitalization of America. The US government actually understood that the big dams built during the 1930-60’s would not solve American water problems indefinitely. There was a robust US membrane research program that developed the first iterations of reverse osmosis membranes for water desalination. These programs were scaled back to nothing in the 1970’s and much of the benefit for these programs went overseas.

But in recent years the excitement has begun to return. The lftr thorium reactors were rediscovered. There’s now about three companies in the USA, and one in each of canada france, japan and china to develop these reactors. Likely the competition to be the first to prototype these reactors will turn very public in a year or two. The consequence of the fracking revolution is that the decapitalization of the USA which began in the 70’s is in the beginning years of a reversal. There’s real world consequences here. One of them is that tax revenues to the federal government are going up big time. In another five years the new oil money will make it seem like somebody just turned the lights on. That will release money for all kinds of expansive programs like space ventures. Currently the biggest expense for getting into space is 200 mile jump into low earth orbit. If you have seen prototype reusable rockets developed by Elon Musk’s company—these promise to reduce costs considerably. (For heaven sake I have a nephew working on ion engines for for space travel away from earth.) Finally on water there’s likely to be some big breakthroughs in the next couple year in either graphene or carbon nanotubes which will drop the price of membranes considerably. When the lftr thorium reactors are developed—together with the new membranes, they’ll make desalination cheap enough for agriculture and thereby turn the deserts green and double the size of the habitable earth.

In short, the worm is turning again! If we’re just talking about technology —all kinds of amazing things will break out.

This is not a big stretch. I could not imagine the technologies I now use routinely when I was in college preparing for the future. Neither could you.

If the technological change over the next 30 years is anything like the last 30...well you get the idea.


36 posted on 07/29/2014 8:27:04 PM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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To: Arthur McGowan

It wouldn’t even have to be real, just flip off the switch. I don’t think that would be advantageous to the Marxist/Muslim agenda. We need to have a thread that will put forth their best plan.

Modernize what was learned from all other Marxist revolutions and have at it. Haven’t read the manual myself but shouldn’t it be in there?


37 posted on 07/30/2014 5:07:18 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

How many on the planet don’t have power now? Of course, they could always import Ebola.


38 posted on 07/30/2014 5:08:57 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Kartographer

BTW ... Even as I type this there is a movie being made from the book “Lights Out!” .


39 posted on 07/30/2014 5:09:04 AM PDT by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: Defiant
I wonder who benefits by an event that takes us back to the 7th century?

The first guy who can replicate the telegraph.......

40 posted on 07/30/2014 5:09:42 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Is there such a thing as a vegan zombie?)
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To: Kartographer

This call to protect the grid will in fact give the administration the power to control that grid.


41 posted on 07/30/2014 5:10:57 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Kartographer

From Sam Glasstone’s book:

https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/effects/eonw_11.pdf#zoom=100


42 posted on 07/30/2014 7:59:45 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: outofsalt

Too many younger people would self emplode if there was an EMP. As it is, a few hours of power outage from a storm freaks them. Then the idea of going outside, oh no, the horror!

Whew, did you happen to see my rant about the nephews earlier in the month? Poor widdle things came for a summer vacation in the country but they were too afraid of the big scary outside to venture out. The preteens refused to learn to ride a bike because it involved the outside. No archery, RC cars, hiking, walking around the very safe neighborhood to see wildlife, going to the park, geocaching, visiting a cave, croquet, fisbee, fishing, grilling fajitas on the back porch, river tubing, putt-putt golf, or a hundred other things because they would have to go.... OUTSIDE!!!!!!!!!! They had to be begged to roast marshmallows. What kid doesn’t like to roast marshmallows? What kid doesn’t know how to ride a bike? What kid won’t go in garage to play with kittens because a garage is too close to fresh air and sunshine? After a few days of this bs and attitude, we ended their vacation and handed off to other unsuspecting relatives.


43 posted on 07/30/2014 9:44:10 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Kartographer

Thanks for the heads up, Kart.

Good article and coming from CNBC no less.

Maybe reality is slowly starting to sink in.


44 posted on 07/30/2014 10:40:15 AM PDT by Iron Munro (IRONY)
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To: huldah1776
This call to protect the grid will in fact give the administration the power to control that grid.

In the same way the federal government uses any crisis or perceived crisis to gain more power and take away more of our freedoms.

That is how they used the scare of radical muslim terrorism to gain the power to form an even more pervasive police state.

Then they turned that power from fighting terrorism to persecuting citizens who don't fall in line with Hope N'Change.


45 posted on 07/30/2014 10:56:49 AM PDT by Iron Munro (IRONY)
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To: bgill

Yep. Mine aren’t that bad. My oldest is fine, loves being out but, his brother is a vidiot. They sure are different from when I was younger,

By the way, mind if I come over?


46 posted on 07/31/2014 1:25:26 AM PDT by outofsalt
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To: dynachrome
"Lights Out!" by David Crawford is a good read.

But my favorite is One Second After, a 2009 fiction novel by American writer William R. Forstchen.

Perfect for your oblivious friends and family, because they won't be able to put it down, and it raises so many moral and ethical decisions, that they have to ask themselves over and over, "What would I do?"

Coworkers have told me they lost sleep thinking about dilemmas presented in the book.

47 posted on 08/03/2014 5:36:38 PM PDT by AUTiger83
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To: AUTiger83

One Second After is scarier.


48 posted on 08/04/2014 1:11:55 PM PDT by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Kartographer

Heck, let’s go for the Trifecta, a Black Swan...
EMP, Ebola, and ???


49 posted on 08/04/2014 1:16:46 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: bgill
Too many younger people would self emplode if there was an EMP. As it is, a few hours of power outage from a storm freaks them. Then the idea of going outside, oh no, the horror!

Facebook was offline for an hour last Friday, and people were calling 911 to report the "emergency."

50 posted on 08/04/2014 1:50:47 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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