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Pandemic Masks
Doom and Bloom ^ | 7/7/14 | Joe Alton, M.D., aka Dr. Bones the Disaster Doctor

Posted on 07/30/2014 1:49:50 PM PDT by Kartographer

Your Strategy

doctor and patient with masks

You’ll need both standard and N95 masks as part of your medical supplies. I would recommend a significant number of each as the masks will be contaminated once worn and should be discarded. A simple truth regarding medical supplies in a pandemic: You can never have too many. Any “extras” you might have will be incredibly valuable barter items in times of trouble.

There are no absolute standards with regards to who wears what in the sick room. I would recommend using the standard surgical masks for those who are ill, to prevent droplets from coughing or sneezing (which can send air droplets several feet) and the N95 masks for the caregivers. In this fashion, you will give maximum protection to the medical personnel.

Remember, your highest priority is to protect yourself and the healthy members of your group. Plan out a sick room area and isolate those that might be contagious. Have plenty of masks, as well as gloves, aprons, eyewear, and antiseptics, and pay careful attention to every aspect of hygiene. Your survival may depend on it.

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Per a number of request for information.
1 posted on 07/30/2014 1:49:50 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 07/30/2014 1:50:29 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

There is speculation among many that the Ebola strain has already left Africa. I laugh out loud every time someone says this conspiratorially and ask if they have considered the probability that west Africans, probably infected, had attended the recent World Cup event in Brazil and that they would not have shown any signs of being sick during the 21 day incubation period. I remind these same people that this strain of Ebola is contagious during that incubation period, just the same. I usually receive horrified stares as a reward. Has it left Africa, you think?!


3 posted on 07/30/2014 1:57:00 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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I have some surplus NBC gear I obtained from a swap meet a while back that includes a set of M17 gas masks with new filters. I’m hoping I don’t have to break out any of that stuff... not ever.


4 posted on 07/30/2014 1:59:05 PM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: ronnyquest

I hadn’t even thought about the world cup! The slums of Brazil are a prefect breeding ground if it made it over.


5 posted on 07/30/2014 1:59:19 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

N95 masks are roughly $1 each in the 20 pack at the local hardware store. I wouldn’t throw them away though, not in a SHTF situation in which no more can be obtained. I’d expose then to sunlight for several hours on each side, set aside used ones for a month or more in a dry location, and then use them again once I ran out of new ones. New is far better than used, but used is far better than none.


6 posted on 07/30/2014 2:00:19 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: InsidiousMongo

Just remember the mask won’t be adequate to protect yourself. Its not just through breathing.


7 posted on 07/30/2014 2:00:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Pollster1

If you can heat them to 60 deg C (140 F) for 60 minutes it would sterilize them adequately for ebola.


8 posted on 07/30/2014 2:02:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ronnyquest
I have seen NO REFERENCE to your claim that this strain is contagious when the infected are asymptomatic.

Can you help me with that?

That's a very, very big deal.

9 posted on 07/30/2014 2:04:47 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Kartographer
Here are a few other protective items.

Scroll down the page and you will find 3 different NBC suits.

Personal Defense

For decontamination you need concentrated bleach of 10% sodium hypochlorite. Bleach sprayers can be found at Walmart

Eye protection is also important. This can be done with an NBC Mask or Fluid Protection Surgical Face Masks.

Just a few suggestions.
10 posted on 07/30/2014 2:05:58 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: ronnyquest

This recent outbreak of Ebola has not followed normal epidemiological patterns for the disease.

The pattern of the current out break is of multiple simultaneous larger scale outbreaks in high population density areas.

One possible explanation is that the disease is being intentionally spread to create the outbreaks.


11 posted on 07/30/2014 2:07:49 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: PA Engineer

Bleach with my store of Calcium Hypochlorite I can make an ocean of it!!


12 posted on 07/30/2014 2:08:03 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver
If you can heat them to 60 deg C (140 F) for 60 minutes it would sterilize them adequately for ebola.

For instance on the dash of a parked car, for most people, and anywhere in the car for many of us, during summer.

I have to keep my electronics in a ice chest in the trunk, to try to keep them below 140.

13 posted on 07/30/2014 2:10:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: rdcbn
One possible explanation is that the disease is being intentionally spread to create the outbreaks.

Another reason I've seen posted here is that prior outbreaks were in lesser-populated and more remote areas where the infected had little opportunity to infect others before they died, and the disease burned itself out.

With the current outbreak occurring in more populated/not-so-remote areas, the ability for the disease to spread is much greater.

14 posted on 07/30/2014 2:40:02 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: Mariner
That's a very, very big deal.

The CDC is not specific, but lists symptoms as showing anywhere from 2 to 21 days after exposure, with 8 to 10 days being average.

Link: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/index.html

They say nothing about when it actually becomes infectious.

15 posted on 07/30/2014 2:44:23 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: PA Engineer

If you really want to go all out, Tyvek suits are disposable and HEPA masks will filter best, be sure to decontaminate them. And remember the filters will be contaminated so tape over the filter opening, then remove them before deconing the mask body. How effective are iodophor or quaternary disinfectants on Ebola? Personal decon may be needed and 10% bleach solution is rather tuff on the skin.


16 posted on 07/30/2014 2:48:20 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad
Personal decon may be needed and 10% bleach solution is rather tuff on the skin.

Is for the protective clothing, but go ahead if you feel like bathing in it.
17 posted on 07/30/2014 2:58:28 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Kartographer

I have boxes of n95’s....

In my car, briefcase, backpack, storage and of course at home....


18 posted on 07/30/2014 3:31:36 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Kartographer

The only problem with masks, and it really isn’t specifically a mask issue, is that the wearer needs to have an incredibly clear understanding of safe technique.

How to safely remove a contaminated mask and contaminated clothing are as important as wearing everything in the first place. You have to be scrupulous in following safety recommendations in this regard.

If you don’t know what you are doing when you remove your gear, you can easily contaminate yourself and others.


19 posted on 07/30/2014 3:33:07 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: PA Engineer

Where do you get “concentrated bleach of 10% sodium hypochlorite”? That is obviously not the everyday grocery store variety. Thanks.


20 posted on 07/30/2014 3:37:12 PM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: mountainbunny

I watch lots of House and Grays Anatomy, I think I got it covered. /s

A mask is only part of the picture.


21 posted on 07/30/2014 3:47:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Mariner
I had read that some time ago on an MSM news site; not sure which. Perhaps they misunderstood (and I did not fact-check), but here is the CDC information sheet. Since the onset of symptoms is 2 to 21 days, it is probably reasonable to assume that the victim could be contagious up to 21 days from infection before symptoms begin to show.
22 posted on 07/30/2014 3:55:00 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: Kartographer
I buy from Fist Aid Products
23 posted on 07/30/2014 3:55:42 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: ronnyquest
I remind these same people that this strain of Ebola is contagious during that incubation period, just the same. I usually receive horrified stares as a reward.

This strain of Ebola is not contagious during the incubation period.

The incubation period for someone who has been exposed is between 2 to 21 days. People are not contagious during this time, only after symptoms appear.

I chose that link almost at random. There are hundreds saying the same thing in the news today.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/26153300/ebola-101-what-the-us-needs-to-know-about-the-virus

24 posted on 07/30/2014 3:59:09 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: mountainbunny

Good to know. I sit corrected.


25 posted on 07/30/2014 4:05:14 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: Oorang
Where do you get “concentrated bleach of 10% sodium hypochlorite”? That is obviously not the everyday grocery store variety. Thanks.

Good point. You can use Pool Shock and mix your own. Pool Shock is very corrosive to surrounding items on shelves. I store mine in canning jars with plastic lids. Pool Shock is Calcium Hypochlorite, however it will work when mixed to 10%.

I noticed household bleach has gone from 5.25% to 8.25% sodium hypochlorite. Give Obama another year and they will probably concentrate it further in even smaller jugs.
26 posted on 07/30/2014 4:07:17 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Kartographer

I still have my N90 & N95 masks and materials to make an isolation room from the 2006 H5N1 pandemic.


27 posted on 07/30/2014 4:21:14 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: Kartographer
Congressional Report: Ebola Bio Kits Deployed to National Guard Units In All 50 States
28 posted on 07/30/2014 4:36:44 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: Oorang; PA Engineer

I have the ‘pool shock’ chemicals in my ‘disaster’ supplies. I saved bleach in bottles for a while but my son (PhD phyics) says that it loses about 50% strength every year.
The ‘pool shock’ is crystals and apparently maintains it’s strength. BTW, I bought it cheaply at yard sales.


29 posted on 07/30/2014 4:41:14 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: ronnyquest

It is scary. No question.

My biggest concern is just how far a person can get in 21 days. It will absolutely, without-a-doubt end up here in the US. The question is how it will be handled after that occurs.


30 posted on 07/30/2014 4:46:38 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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31 posted on 07/30/2014 4:47:26 PM PDT by freds6girlies (many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first. Mt. 19:30. R.I.P. G & J)
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To: blam

As pool season ends around the country, this is a good time to pick up shock powder on clearance. Wal*Mart almost always has it on deep discount at the end of the season.


32 posted on 07/30/2014 4:49:22 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: mountainbunny
The question is how it will be handled after that occurs.

CDC will have Homeland Security transport them to red states.

33 posted on 07/30/2014 4:49:30 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: ronnyquest

21 day incubation period; over-excites the immune response; kills mostly people in their prime while sparing the very young, the elderly and sick (compromised immune systems). Sounds a lot like the Spanish Flu of 1918 - 1922.


34 posted on 07/30/2014 4:54:43 PM PDT by Justa
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To: ronnyquest

didn’t they just put a person in Canada in containment?


35 posted on 07/30/2014 4:56:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Pollster1

30 pack for $8.00 + shipping on Amazon


36 posted on 07/30/2014 4:58:08 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: rdcbn

Re: outbreaks in high-population density areas.

Gee, what activity involving close contact and swapping of bodily fluids occurs much more frequently and with more participants in high-population areas than in remote, rural areas.


37 posted on 07/30/2014 4:59:26 PM PDT by Justa
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To: blam; PA Engineer

Thanks to you both, very useful information.


38 posted on 07/30/2014 5:06:33 PM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: GeronL

Yes.


39 posted on 07/30/2014 5:06:55 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: Pollster1

Microwave the used masks?


40 posted on 07/30/2014 5:22:33 PM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: Pollster1

Yup, or even a douse-and-dry in bleach should work. When the SHTF, discarders will be chastised, at least by me.


41 posted on 07/30/2014 5:25:25 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, was not there!)
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To: driftdiver

Right, a doctor indicated that there are cracks in the hands of all humans through which infection can occur. So get your rubber gloves and suits as well.


42 posted on 07/30/2014 5:27:08 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, was not there!)
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To: Pollster1

You can buy N100’s and P100’s as well for added filtering.


43 posted on 07/30/2014 5:32:09 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, was not there!)
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To: blam

I tried to microwave a fly one time, and it survived unaffected. To hell with microwaves.


44 posted on 07/30/2014 5:34:32 PM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, was not there!)
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To: Kartographer
Using normal aseptic techniques for all other viruses, fungi, and bacteria is not enough for the prevention of Ebola. Being safe against Ebola is much like abstinence is for prevention of pregnancy, the only way to keep from being affected is to avoid populations for a quarantine period of a month. Its going to take out a great many folks and animals and because of the publicizing of this outbreak it is just a matter of time before the Mohamed followers use it as a weapon...remember it was probably them that used anthrax.
45 posted on 07/30/2014 6:26:19 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Kartographer; All

what can you do about people who have a small face?

My Dad has a real narrow face, and these masks have big gaps at the side...

Suggestions?


46 posted on 07/30/2014 8:26:09 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike

Surgical or adhesive tape?


47 posted on 07/30/2014 9:04:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: Shadowstrike

I seen where you can buy them in sizes.


48 posted on 07/30/2014 9:18:26 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: PA Engineer

The personal decon is in the event of an emergency exposure. As a former OSHA 80Hr trained HAZMAT worker I know all about decon procedure, personal decon as in a shower out is HIGHLY recommended after equipment decon. Besides, suits are not always 100% effective, ever have a tyvek suit rip on you? Shit happens and IF Ebola ever does get here, you`d better have a plan B.


49 posted on 07/31/2014 9:32:51 AM PDT by nomad
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To: Shadowstrike
A proper fit test should be done with any mask. If in doubt, try them out. We used to do the "banana oil" test but that's done with reusable full and half face APR and PAPR masks equipped with organic filters and done to test the face seal.

If you are using such masks with HEPA filters, a fairly credible test can be done with a cigarette. Waft smoke from the cigarette around the person`s face while having them speak, they should only be able to detect the lite scent of organic material burning. http://www.ehow.com/how_6323413_fit_test-respirators.html

50 posted on 07/31/2014 9:48:53 AM PDT by nomad
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