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Kelsey Grammer Forgives the Man Who Raped and Killed His Sister After Tearful Confession
Daily Mail ^ | 7-30-2014 | Heidi Parker

Posted on 07/30/2014 5:55:07 PM PDT by equalator

Kelsey Grammer forgave the man who raped and murdered his sister but said that he should not be released, during an emotional testimony at the killer's parole hearing on Tuesday.

The 59-year-old Frasier star testified against 57-year-old Freddie Glenn who kidnapped and murdered his 18-year-old sister, Karen Elisa Grammer, in 1975 when she was leaving her job at a Red Lobster in Colorado Springs.

'I accept that you live with remorse, but I live with tragedy every day,' the Cheers star said via satellite link at a Colorado parole hearing.

'I accept your apology. I forgive you. However, I cannot give your release my endorsement.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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I never knew this about Mr. Grammer. He seems like a really nice person. Poor fella.

1 posted on 07/30/2014 5:55:07 PM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

Well,he’s a better man than I am then.


2 posted on 07/30/2014 5:56:43 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: equalator
'I accept your apology. I forgive you. However, I cannot give your release my endorsement.'

Works for me. Forgiven doesn't mean he should be released.
3 posted on 07/30/2014 5:57:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: equalator

incredible. i forgive you. you raped and killed my sister. really?

how about i nail you to the side of a building for three days, pull up a lawn chair, watch you die, then i forgive you. that ok?


4 posted on 07/30/2014 5:58:39 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: equalator

I don’t think this was the only tragedy in his early life. I thank him for sticking up for his sister, not her murderer should not walk one day as a free man, if he wanted to be free he could have just, you know, not kidnapped, raped and killed this woman.


5 posted on 07/30/2014 5:59:22 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: equalator

Look up Kelsey’s family history. It is all f’d up.


6 posted on 07/30/2014 5:59:31 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: beebuster2000

bttt


7 posted on 07/30/2014 5:59:58 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: equalator

Who knows what Grammer really thinks about this subhuman POS.... Political correctness required him to speak those platitudes of forgiveness, IMO and Mr. Grammer knows that quite well.


8 posted on 07/30/2014 6:00:14 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: equalator

Grammer isn’t a bad guy.


9 posted on 07/30/2014 6:00:23 PM PDT by Viennacon (Barry Obama? No... Barack Hussein Soebarkah.)
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To: equalator

WOW. He is definitely a better man than I.


10 posted on 07/30/2014 6:00:31 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: equalator
"He also was convicted of killing another two men...Glenn murdered motel cook Daniel Van Lone, 28, in a robbery from which he took 50 cents on June 19, 1975...On June 27 that year, he killed 19-year-old Army soldier Winfred Proffitt over drugs."

This guy should have been worm-food a long time ago.

11 posted on 07/30/2014 6:00:45 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: equalator

Bless his heart. I didn’t know, either. :( That had to have been tough.


12 posted on 07/30/2014 6:01:34 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

His dad was also murdered, and a brother got eaten by a shark.


13 posted on 07/30/2014 6:05:36 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: equalator

I pray to never have to be in Mr. Grammer’s shoes on an issue like this. I don’t know how families deal with these kinds of things. Ours has had its share of tragedy and disfunction, like most.... but something like this.... man, I can’t imagine.


14 posted on 07/30/2014 6:06:02 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: equalator

Wow... He was 19 or 20 at the time and she was 17....this pos raped and murdered his younger sister....he was about the same age....

I guess 40 years is long enough to work out some forgiveness....

Guy should have been taking a dirt nap 35 years ago...

One thing for sure... If He is was executed, Mr Grammer would not need to testify at his parole hearing and have to relive that nightmare again....


15 posted on 07/30/2014 6:09:33 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Farmer Dean

+1


16 posted on 07/30/2014 6:10:48 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: equalator

Yes, but he found Jesus and has turned his life around as evidenced by his lack of rape and murder charges over the past several decades. Damn those white people are such sticklers for detail.


17 posted on 07/30/2014 6:15:25 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (His Arrogance would love to replace John Kerry-Heinz but all the trained monkeys turned him down.)
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To: equalator

I’ll take justice and let God worry about forgiveness


18 posted on 07/30/2014 6:16:58 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: equalator

The reason I hold for capital punishment is my firm belief that forgiveness of any trespass is the sole privilege of the victim. The Lord can forgive all, however, we can only forgive that which has been done against ourselves. A victim of murder can no longer forgive their killer thus justice demands that we require repayment for that which was taken be exacted. A life once taken requires a life forfeited in return. No friend, relative or human judge can remove this debt!


19 posted on 07/30/2014 6:17:12 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: equalator

Mr. Grammer strikes me as a good man, perhaps this is for his own peace, and not that of the killer.


20 posted on 07/30/2014 6:17:37 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: equalator

Actually I would say I forgive him, endorse his release, the proceed to castrate and burn him alive when he was.


21 posted on 07/30/2014 6:19:23 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Plus he’s been caged like the animal that he is.Really slows down the repeat offending.


22 posted on 07/30/2014 6:19:30 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“Actually I would say I forgive him, endorse his release, the proceed to castrate and burn him alive when he was.”


That’s how I feel but I figured it wouldn’t be ladylike to post my opinion.

:-)

.


23 posted on 07/30/2014 6:22:02 PM PDT by Mears (thanks !)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Don’t forget, this is not a human being. This is a demon so I would have no problem burning him alive. Ask yourself this: How many of you could rape someone for 4 hours then cut the persons throat? Human beings cannot do that. Demons can. This is a Demon.


24 posted on 07/30/2014 6:23:18 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: GeronL
"...Give us this day our daily bread; And forgive us our debts, As we also have forgiven our debtors; And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." (Matthew 5:6-11)
25 posted on 07/30/2014 6:27:34 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: EEGator

Wow. I thought you were making up the story about the shark. This poor guy has suffered like Job.


26 posted on 07/30/2014 6:27:35 PM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: equalator

Kelsey Grammer knows that holding on to a hate-filled grudge only hurts one person.

He has shown that he is a good man.

And that scumbag bastard still does not get his blessing to get out of jail.


27 posted on 07/30/2014 6:28:30 PM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: fidelis

“but if you do not forgive men their trespasses”

This is not a man he is forgiving. It’s a Demon, big difference. Men do not do what it did neither do animals. It’s a Demon and it needs to be sent back to hell.


28 posted on 07/30/2014 6:30:37 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: beebuster2000

Why is that incredible? Living with hatred and bitterness only eats you up inside. Good for Mr. Grammar.


29 posted on 07/30/2014 6:32:23 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
This is not a man he is forgiving. It’s a Demon, big difference.

You know that's not true.

30 posted on 07/30/2014 6:36:59 PM PDT by scouter
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To: equalator

The article is worth reading.

his piece of scum killed three people between June 19, 1975 and July 1, 1975.

One for 50 cents.

That’s right—50 cents.

Murdering three people means you never see the outside again.

Those three never will.


31 posted on 07/30/2014 6:39:48 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: equalator

How awful. I’m so glad that as a brother he remembers and honors his sister.

Kelsey Grammer was in NY theater during the years of his sister’s murder, I guess. I remember seeing his brilliant performance in Quartermaine’s Terms around this time.


32 posted on 07/30/2014 6:42:48 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: EEGator
His dad was also murdered, and a brother got eaten by a shark.

That reminds me - I have to set the DVR for Sharknado 2 tonight. Thanks.

33 posted on 07/30/2014 6:43:17 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: EEGator

No! Dear God!


34 posted on 07/30/2014 6:45:05 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“...perhaps this is for his own peace, and not that of the killer.”

That was my thought, too. The anger and hatred only eats him alive; it’s better to leave judgment to God.


35 posted on 07/30/2014 6:49:55 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: fidelis

I’m guessing that if some guy raped and murdered your sister, you wouldn’t be so glib with the “forgiveness”.


36 posted on 07/30/2014 6:50:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: cartoonistx

I agree with you on all points but one: even G-d cannot forgive transgressions against another human being, only the victim can. That is why murder is so unforgivable - because that is literally true. He can and does forgive for transgressions against His law. Keep in mind that I am Jewish, and thus bring my faith’s P.O.V. to this question. On Yom Kippur, our Day of Atonement, we are required to ask forgiveness of those we have wronged in the past year, and show some to those who have wronged us...because if we are asking G-d to forgive us for sins against Him, we have to take the first step.

As for K.G., kudos to him for letting go of the hatred that would be natural in these circumstances for anyone. I’m not sure that I could do that. Note that I believe that he can forgive this animal for the emotional harm that he, himself, suffered.


37 posted on 07/30/2014 6:51:22 PM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Bullish
Who knows what Grammer really thinks about this subhuman POS.... Political correctness required him to speak those platitudes of forgiveness, IMO and Mr. Grammer knows that quite well.

DINGDINGDING!!! I read the article on the front page, and looking at Grammer's words, I knew immediately the race of the killer.

I don't blame him, though. It's actually a no brainer. He will look "good" to the PC idiots--it might earn him a few points with the Nazis in Hollywood--and the killer still has to sit in prison because Grammar was still honest enough to do the right thing. I can't say the same thing about the other hollywood idiots--they would have asked him to be released. This guy was a piece of shiznit. A fiancee? A trust fund? Only in Amerikkka...

38 posted on 07/30/2014 6:52:30 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Immigration without assimilation is the death of a nation)
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To: cripplecreek

He had also killed two other people, one a restaurant cook whom he robbed of 50 cents, and the other a teenager in a drug deal.


39 posted on 07/30/2014 6:58:09 PM PDT by livius
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ping


40 posted on 07/30/2014 7:01:25 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Oh my gosh, he killed THREE people and there is any consideration of letting him go?

That’s ridiculous.


41 posted on 07/30/2014 7:02:58 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: equalator

WOW.


42 posted on 07/30/2014 7:04:13 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: equalator

My sister was brutally murdered as well, a decade ago.

I like to think I’m not carrying around baggage imposed on me by the evil man who did it to her. God knows.

Having said that, I can say without heat, if the law allowed me to pull the trigger or the switch on him tomorrow, I would do so without hesitation or regret.

Read Genesis chapter nine, which was given to all mankind. The absolute requirement that those who shed innocent blood be sent to God for judgment has never been amended or repealed.

That imperative command was in fact the basis for the executive power of government.

My prayers go out to Mr. Grammer and his family.


43 posted on 07/30/2014 7:04:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (It is our duty to secure the Blessings of Liberty to our Posterity.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Here is my view on this stuff. I would think, that if you really had found Jesus, or had whatever religious awakening you claim you had, that you would be MORE THAN HAPPY to stay in prison. Because if you really, really had found Jesus, or God, or Buddha or whatever, you would realize that A. what you had done was wrong and you SHOULD pay ALL of society’s price for that and B. PRISON needs good people, so you SHOULD be MORE THAN HAPPY to stay in prison and be a force for good there.

So, you know, if you told me that story I’d have respect for you.

If you say - I’ve found Jesus and I’m all good now and let me out.....well, I just don’t buy that.


44 posted on 07/30/2014 7:07:13 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Ancesthntr
I believe that he can forgive this animal for the emotional harm that he, himself, suffered.

He is not an animal. He is a man, a child of God, whom God loves very much, who has sinned horrifically, and whom God earnestly wants to repent so he can be forgiven and eventually spend eternity with him in heaven. I don't presume to tell a Jew what his faith teaches, but as a Christian, that is what our faith teaches us.

Calling him an animal is simply an excuse not to have to face the prospect of forgiving him.

And before you say "if it was your sister....", well, don't go there because... Let's just say KG isn't the only one who has had to tread this path. I'm glad he did.

45 posted on 07/30/2014 7:10:50 PM PDT by scouter
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To: Ancesthntr

And that’s the fundamental difference between Christianity and Judiasm.

Christians believe all transgressions are against God primarily and against other people only secondarily. Secondly Christians believe since God through Jesus has already paid the price for all the sins and earned forgiveness for all who believe in him, that any debts between individuals are also settled by him at the same time.


46 posted on 07/30/2014 7:19:06 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: jocon307

Very well said.

What I was trying to articulate but couldn’t.


47 posted on 07/30/2014 7:25:34 PM PDT by berdie
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To: equalator

To err is human, to forgive, divine! But is there more to the story?


48 posted on 07/30/2014 7:47:48 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Good point, but the American people are so uninformed that think “Demons” is just the name of a sports team.


49 posted on 07/30/2014 7:49:48 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: equalator

The murderer did get a second chance. He was allowed to live. He cannot ask for more than that. The $200K trust fund will elude him. It was an insurance policy from a relative and he can only collect it on the outside. I wonder if he thinks now that the other murder he did that netted $0.50 was worth it?


50 posted on 07/30/2014 7:55:47 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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