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McDonald’s Ordered To Pay $27 Million For Teens’ Deaths
cbs ^ | 7-30-2014

Posted on 07/31/2014 5:51:30 AM PDT by Citizen Zed

College students Denton Ward, 18, from Flower Mound, and Lauren Crisp, 19, of Dripping Springs, were killed shortly after stopping at a College Station McDonald’s in the early morning hours of February 18, 2012.

Ward and another male friend were attacked in the McDonald’s parking lot by a mob of 15 to 20 people.

When Ward’s friends, including Crisp, loaded into a car to rush him to the hospital, the driver ran a red light and they were involved in a crash with a pickup truck.  Crisp was killed in the crash.

The teens’ families sued McDonald’s, claiming that the restaurant neglected to provide late-night security even though police had been called more than 20 times that year to break up fights at that location.

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1 posted on 07/31/2014 5:51:30 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

Sympathetic jury wanting to do “something” for the victims’ families...and lawyers going after the deepest pockets. This will be tossed, or greatly reduced, on appeal..


2 posted on 07/31/2014 5:55:39 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: Citizen Zed
Since when is McDonald's or any other fast food venue required to be in the security business?
No mention of the identity of the mob members or any culpability on their part.

3 posted on 07/31/2014 6:00:55 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Citizen Zed

Wonder why McDonald?

Why don’t they sue the manufacturer of the pickup truck?

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4 posted on 07/31/2014 6:02:33 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Who has the bigger pockets?


5 posted on 07/31/2014 6:03:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ken5050

All the money in the world won’t bring someone back to life and it is a tragedy but at one point you have to ask yourself would any amount of security have thwarted a feral attack in this day and age? Probably not. Security guards aren’t respected. They’re barely a detterent.


6 posted on 07/31/2014 6:04:06 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Citizen Zed

I’d like to sue them over that crappy slop they sell as the Big Mac. Absolute worst burger of all the fast food chains.


7 posted on 07/31/2014 6:05:08 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Citizen Zed

I know there are some stupid, ignorant people in America, but after this verdict and the Ventura verdict, how in the hell do they continue to get twelve of them altogether, at one time?

I mean, these two verdicts take a leap of faith, a shot of something out of Harry Potter, and two HUGE blinders to get to these conclusions!

WTF is happening in America?!?!


8 posted on 07/31/2014 6:08:30 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Why don’t they sue the manufacturer of the pickup truck?

How about the manufacturer of the traffic signal?

9 posted on 07/31/2014 6:09:09 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Citizen Zed

Simple solution, all McDs have to do is to have a sign declaring the store a “mob free” zone.

Easy, isn’t it?


10 posted on 07/31/2014 6:09:49 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Citizen Zed
Denton Ward: Dead

Marcus Jamal Jones: Arrested

Hmmm...no photograph available or included in any of the stories about his arrest for the beating of Denton Ward. I wonder why that is?

11 posted on 07/31/2014 6:11:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My life has been a poor attempt to imitate the man. I am a living legacy to the leader of the band.)
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To: jsanders2001

>> Security guards aren’t respected. They’re barely a deterrent.

That was the case 20 years ago at our nice suburban swim and tennis in a good neighborhood. Kids showing up to hang out and party in the parking lot would thumb their noses at a private security guard. They might mosey on, but they really weren’t worried about the guy.

Then we started hiring off-duty cops with arrest powers. First time he got crap from the kids he was running off (who had throw out a bunch of trash in the lot, breaking a bottle, and given the off-duty cop a FU, IIRC), a couple of them got arrested, mommy and daddy had to bail out the kiddies, and the problem stopped.


12 posted on 07/31/2014 6:11:11 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Citizen Zed

It’s the Moons fault. Didn’t provide enough evening light. Sue the moon.


13 posted on 07/31/2014 6:11:33 AM PDT by sappy (criminaldems)
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To: ExTxMarine

The mentality is that anyone that has accumulated any wealth needs to be targeted for confiscation and punishment.

This mentality has become ubiquitous in our society, and yes, it’s because of liberals.


14 posted on 07/31/2014 6:11:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Citizen Zed

Are there no nightime cops on patrol in CS?


15 posted on 07/31/2014 6:13:12 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Ward and another male friend were attacked in the McDonald’s parking lot by a mob of 15 to 20 people.

This makes me want to violate FR's profanity standards.

16 posted on 07/31/2014 6:13:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ExTxMarine
The Ventura verdict was correct. The issue is NOT whether the incident took place. No matter how much Jessie tries to get that erased, it DID happen. However, the issue the jury had to decide was whether Ventura was defamed and suffered financial loss because of the story as published in Chris Kyle's book. He did.

On the bright side, the damage is irreparable. Plus, the award will likely be reduced on appeal and, based on the sales of the book, it will amount to chump change for Chris Kyle's widow.

17 posted on 07/31/2014 6:16:16 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My life has been a poor attempt to imitate the man. I am a living legacy to the leader of the band.)
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To: Citizen Zed

As conservative as Texas is, it still has a tort system that makes these illogical, “Jackpot” verdicts possible. As others have posted, you get a bunch of jurors who vote on emotion rather than logic and you end up with the absurd result that McDonalds is 97% liable and the actual murderers are 3% liable. Its not like this kid slipped on a wet floor and cracked his head open and died. He was killed. The only — only — way you get to a result of it being 97% McDonalds’ fault is if you permit people to simply assign blame based on ability to pay. Hell. Why not get a list of stockholders of McDonalds, find the richest ones, and sue them too. Why not award the family a billion dollars?


18 posted on 07/31/2014 6:20:42 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Citizen Zed

I’m waiting for the story of the employee, forced to be unarmed due to his/her workplace, “No Guns,” policy, robbed, beaten or killed while heading out to his/her car before or after work...

And the employer gets sued by the victim for removing his/her right to defend him/herself, and having inadequate security.


19 posted on 07/31/2014 6:22:39 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: tflabo

The big mac is OK, but that disgusting pink/orange/I-don’t-know-WHAT-color-it-is dressing/sauce/goop is just plain sickening.


20 posted on 07/31/2014 6:22:55 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: BitWielder1
Since when is McDonald's or any other fast food venue required to be in the security business?

Exactly! Why aren't the cops the one's paying? After all, the argument of the gun-grabbers is that the cops provide security.

21 posted on 07/31/2014 6:27:41 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
However, the issue the jury had to decide was whether Ventura was defamed and suffered financial loss because of the story as published in Chris Kyle's book. He did.

Please tell me on what page is Ventura's name listed. It is NOT listed there, period.

More importantly, people are claiming that Kyle said this to "sell more of his books." Well, the book was a top seller already when Kyle was asked if that part of the book referenced Ventura, which Kyle answered, "Yes."

And tell me exactly how Ventura suffered financial loss. Because that is a crock of crap. No one would care one way or the other if one loud mouth drunk (Ventura) was decked by another loud mouth drunk (Kyle). This case was BS from the beginning because Ventura's name is not listed ANYWHERE in that book!
22 posted on 07/31/2014 6:31:10 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I found one story that said Marcus Jones got 90 days for assaulting Denton’s friend but that was the only arrest.


23 posted on 07/31/2014 6:32:25 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: knarf
Oh, it's not so bad when you realize what it is:

24 posted on 07/31/2014 6:32:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: FreedomPoster

The police don’t want security guards to have any real authority because then the cops couldn’t get overtime pay working security details.

Private security guards have the same power of citizen’s arrest as any other person. The problems are that there is little or no training in when to arrest;in fact, most are strongly discouraged from performing a citizen’s arrest of even a violent person .Nor will their employer defend the guard in court.As a private person if you arrest someone clearly committing a crime you can still be sued in civil court and face tremendous legal expenses proving you were right. On top of which you probably were dismissed from your job.I know of store clerks fired for grabbing shoplifters who were trying to leave with high-dollar items.

The lawyers of the last 50 years care absolutely nothing about justice.I say all of them are guilty because the good lawyers refuse to ostracize the scumbags.The judges who preside over so many farcial decisions are guilty as well.


25 posted on 07/31/2014 6:33:47 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Yes, call the police, isn't that what they always tell us?
EVEN IF McDonald's was to provide a security guard, what authority would he have to intervene outside the building anyway? Besides calling the cops.
I hope McDonald's appeals this.
Enough of suing bystanders for something they had no power to control.

26 posted on 07/31/2014 6:34:55 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; BitWielder1

No.

McDonalds had a duty to provide security. Cops were called 20 previous times?

Not saying McDonalds is liable for $27 million, but yeah. They bear some responsibility.


27 posted on 07/31/2014 6:36:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Citizen Zed

Bush’s fault.


28 posted on 07/31/2014 6:36:18 AM PDT by YourAdHere (Barack is the wife.)
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To: BitWielder1

If the guy was carrying concealed, and Texas is a state where he could have been, ....


29 posted on 07/31/2014 6:36:53 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: Right Brother

Obviously the paving company should be sued. Their pavement is like a magnet to thugs...probably something in the mix.


30 posted on 07/31/2014 6:38:00 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Citizen Zed

If the victims would have been armed and fought back, I suspect that McDonalds would still be getting sued by the “crowd of 15-20 people.” It’s the litigation lottery.


31 posted on 07/31/2014 6:38:36 AM PDT by Rhinoman (SMSgt, USAF (Ret))
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To: Responsibility2nd
McDonalds had a duty to provide security.

If the Ronald McDonald Security Cop had shot the thugs (who incidentally would've looked like some of Hussein's sons) how big would the settlement have been then?

32 posted on 07/31/2014 6:43:00 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: ExTxMarine

All valid points but I was only speaking to the instructions given the jury by the judge and their decision based on that and what they heard in court. Nothing else matters.


33 posted on 07/31/2014 6:43:41 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (My life has been a poor attempt to imitate the man. I am a living legacy to the leader of the band.)
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To: Citizen Zed
“We hope this verdict sends a powerful message to McDonald’s and other companies that protecting customers is more important than late-night revenue,” says attorney Chris Hamilton of Dallas’ Standly Hamilton, LLP, lead trial counsel for the teens’ families. “The night these two kids died, this was a dangerous location, and McDonald’s knew it. Yet they did nothing to prevent their senseless deaths.”

With slime-ball lawyers like these, it further encourages business to stay out da hood.

College Station TX is home to mostly white Texas A&M University, where is this McDonalds?

34 posted on 07/31/2014 6:48:41 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Citizen Zed

Absurd.


35 posted on 07/31/2014 7:01:58 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Citizen Zed

Lawyers, the bane of society. They have perverted a justice systems to turn it into a disturbing legal systems. Between defense attorneys (liars for hire) and televultures I don’t know which to consider the worst.


36 posted on 07/31/2014 7:09:50 AM PDT by JayAr36 (A Democrat is defined as a liar and a hypocrite.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Truth is an absolute defense to a claim of defamation, regardless of how much the truth hurts.

I don't know the facts of the case, but in order to win, Ventura had to prove (the jury had to conclude) that the description of the incident was somehow not truthful.

37 posted on 07/31/2014 7:12:53 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

There are jurisdictions in Texas that are known to be plaintiff’s haven, corrupt in favor of the plaintiff.


38 posted on 07/31/2014 7:14:08 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: TexasCajun

Bryan is fairly close to Prairie View A&M, a traditionally black university.


39 posted on 07/31/2014 7:30:29 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: knarf
"The big mac is OK, but that disgusting pink/orange/I-don’t-know-WHAT-color-it-is dressing/sauce/goop is just plain sickening"

I prefer dorothy Lynch on my burgers...


40 posted on 07/31/2014 7:55:45 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: MrB
 
Tragic incident that highlights a long standing problem. Neighboring Bryan is basically "the hood", land of the EBT card - those denizens drift over to College Station to burglarize, rob and scam TX A&M students. Naive teens who are away from home, out on their own for the first time are their favorite & easiest targets.
 

41 posted on 07/31/2014 7:58:23 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: BitWielder1
mob members or any culpability on their part.

Nope, our legal system has gone insane.

42 posted on 07/31/2014 8:23:52 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Right Brother

Or the city that operated the signal — taxpayers are the deepest pocket of all.


43 posted on 07/31/2014 8:24:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: ken5050

Maybe.

The argument for liability is probably based on the common “chain of causation” argument.

Same reason a negligent driver can be held liable for the death of a person after an accident — even though it may have resulted form medical malpractice.

Also, unfortunately, $27 million isn’t that big of an award these days.


44 posted on 07/31/2014 8:29:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Citizen Zed

“The teens’ families sued McDonald’s.... who, although completely uninvolved, have lots of dough.


45 posted on 07/31/2014 8:39:21 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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$27 million might pay off their college loans.


46 posted on 07/31/2014 9:16:39 AM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Responsibility2nd said: "McDonalds had a duty to provide security."

Could you please describe what mechanism you recommend be implemented in order to satisfy this duty?

Please recognize that the solution must be reasonably effective, must shield the business from the liability found, and must be such that any business which would otherwise be similarly liable would be able to implement it.

It's hard for me to picture every shoe-shine stand or coffee kiosk being responsible for the criminal acts of others, but apparently that is your assessment.

Or is it merely the size of the corporation which triggers this duty?

47 posted on 07/31/2014 9:23:50 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Citizen Zed

This is yet another frivolous lawsuit. McD is a cheap fast food restaurant. There is no reasonable expectation of safety in their parking lot at night. Parasitic lawyers disgust me as much as their parasitic clients do.


48 posted on 07/31/2014 9:25:18 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: William Tell

Security Guards. You’ve heard of them, no doubt. Perhaps have seen them.

/sarc

Fact is, any normal business owner operating in a high risk environment is wise to secure his business, employees, customers and etc. As we all know - when seconds count....

As you know - this Mickey D’s had a history of police calls regarding criminal activity. A security guard may not solve all problems, but in hindsight, it would have saved them 27 million.


49 posted on 07/31/2014 9:29:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Responsibility2nd said: "A security guard may not solve all problems, but in hindsight, it would have saved them 27 million."

So, does every business owner, regardless of the size of the business, now require a security guard to satisfy this duty?

50 posted on 07/31/2014 9:43:26 AM PDT by William Tell
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