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DOJ Says Pa. State Police Discriminated Against Women Who Flunked Physical Fitness Tests
CNS News ^ | 07/30/2014 | Susan Jones

Posted on 08/01/2014 5:49:06 AM PDT by Rusty0604

The Obama administration is suing the Pennsylvania State Police for requiring both men and women applying for entry-level trooper jobs to pass the same physical fitness tests.

Because more men than women pass the tests, their use is discriminatory and violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Justice Department says.

From 2003-2008, approximately 94 percent of male applicants passed the test, while only 71 percent of female applicants passed.

DOJ concluded that the 2003 and the 2009 tests were "not job-related" and "not consistent with business necessity..." But the Pennsylvania State Police website makes it clear that the job of a State Trooper can be physically demanding.

"Essential job functions" of Pennsylvania State Troopers include:

-- Arresting people, "forcibly if necessary";

-- Subduing resisting suspects;

-- Pursuing fleeing suspects and performing rescue operations "which may involve quickly entering and exiting law enforcement vehicles; lifting, carrying and dragging heavy objects; climbing over and pulling up oneself over obstacles; jumping down from elevated surfaces; climbing through openings; jumping over obstacles, ditches and streams; crawling in confined areas; balancing on uneven or narrow surfaces and using body force to gain entrance through barriers."

Several years ago, the Justice Department took legal action against the Corpus Christi, Texas police department on similar grounds.

That case, finally settled in May 2013, required Corpus Christi police to replace the physical fitness tests it had been using for applicants; and distribute $700,000 in back pay to eligible female applicants who took and failed the challenged physical abilities test between 2005 and 2011.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: departmentofjesters
As much as I comment on some "bad cop" threads, I DO want the police to be able to catch the bad guys. I guess Holder doesn't think that is the main purpose for police; he thinks it is an employment agency.
1 posted on 08/01/2014 5:49:06 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Ask any cop, a female cop is much more likely to pull her gun. Too often, the women don’t have the strength to subdue the bad guys.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 5:50:52 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Rusty0604

71% passed.....which means it is easily obtainable. Not discrimination at all.


3 posted on 08/01/2014 5:51:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: old and tired

Women are equal to men; except when they’re not.

1984 anyone?


4 posted on 08/01/2014 5:52:00 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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To: Rusty0604

They can reference the women in Corpus Christi who split the $700K pot for NOT being cops to enhance their pitch for the Fluke Vote.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 5:55:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: old and tired

I was thinking the same thing. Holder has been watching too many cop shows on TV where a little female cop wrestles a huge guy to the ground after a chase and handcuffs him peaceably.


6 posted on 08/01/2014 5:57:59 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604
I was thinking the same thing. Holder has been watching too many cop shows on TV where a little female cop wrestles a huge guy to the ground after a chase and handcuffs him peaceably.

Right. He should watch the several scenes from "Southland" where female cops were overpowered and beaten, one almost to death. That's probably a little more realistic than the TJ Hooker type scenes where Heather Locklear takes down some 250 pound, muscular thug.

7 posted on 08/01/2014 6:02:04 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Sacajaweau

That was also my first thought. If a woman can’t pass a test that 71% of women have successfully completed, the woman is either not motivated to prepare for the test or is physically incapable.


8 posted on 08/01/2014 6:02:39 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Rusty0604
Holder has been watching too many cop shows on TV where a little female cop wrestles a huge guy to the ground after a chase and handcuffs him peaceably.

I was thinking that Holder was watching too many cop shows where the bad guy loses and wants to even he odds.
9 posted on 08/01/2014 6:02:48 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: old and tired

My sister was a cop and was pretty good at using her PR24 nightstick. That and the blackjack.
The only time she drew her gun was when she was shot at.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 6:05:41 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Rusty0604
Seems to me the requirements for the job are fair and non-discriminatory. That is, if there is a situation it is going to require a certain level of physical ability to deal with it. Suspects aren't going to say "Gee, it's a woman trying to apprehend me, I'll only fight 3/4 as hard as if it were a man..." Or carrying that unconscious person out of harms way doesn't magically become easier just because the trooper is a woman.

In other words it takes a certain level of physical ability to perform the job safely, period. Therefore the physical fitness requirement should be the same no-matter who is applying.

Guess what, men and women are different. In general there are differences in size and physical strength between men and women. That's not a gender bias, it is a well documented and studied trait of our species. (our species is not alone in this either, it is quite common) No amount of liberal hand-wringing and wishing we were all truly equal in some unicorn dotted landscape will change that basic fact.

Apparently the physical requirements are not particularly stressing as what, 94% of men who apply pass the test? Ok, it is likely that only people reasonably fit even apply, but that is still an extremely high pass rate. Apparently 71% of women who apply pass too. That is also a great pass rate. It tells me that passing the test is not impossible for women, and in fact nearly 3 out of 4 women who try it do pass.

11 posted on 08/01/2014 6:07:46 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Holder only watches cop shows where a white cop takes down a black perp, and he’s determined to put an end to that.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 6:08:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeaHawkFan

Watch a bunch of overweight, out of shape women rushing to apply at police departments, not really wanting the job but wanting to get in on the discrimination lawsuit payout.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 6:08:44 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: old and tired

Watch virtually any video of male and female cops working together to subdue a bad guy. The males jump right on top of the guy ready to fight. The females flitter around the edges grabbing at feet, trying to look involved. Any male cop with a female partner is on his own in a fight. She can call for backup but the female physical power just is not there and gets people hurt and killed. But hey, its the test that brings the problems.


14 posted on 08/01/2014 6:09:07 AM PDT by armydawg505
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To: Rusty0604

So the PA State Police use equal standards? I remember when radical feminists were screaming for equality. Now of course we have moved far beyond equality in many areas to preferential treatment regardless of the outcome.


15 posted on 08/01/2014 6:10:12 AM PDT by armydawg505
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To: Rusty0604
DOJ Says Pa. State Police Discriminated Against Women Who Flunked Physical Fitness Tests

The meaning of the word "discriminate" is "to differentiate between good quality and bad quality."

16 posted on 08/01/2014 6:10:35 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Yorlik803

She probably worked at it and didn’t use being a woman as an excuse to whine, which is very commendable.


17 posted on 08/01/2014 6:11:52 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: armydawg505

I’ve noticed that too. The female cops usually intervene after the handcuffs are in place.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 6:19:46 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Rusty0604

For Holder’s department to take on this problem given all of the Constitutional infractions this clown is involved in seems to me that he’s rearranging the deck furniture on the Titanic.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 6:39:55 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Rusty0604
Any objective measurement with a minimum passing score is discriminatory by definition. They discriminate against those who can't pass. Because they are objectively measuring physical attributes regardless of sex they are not discriminating against women, just those not strong enough to do the job.

In my state there used to be a requirement for state police that they must be a minimum of 6' tall. This was waived for women and is in fact a clear case of discrimination.

20 posted on 08/01/2014 6:40:10 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Standards” inherently discriminate.

Leftists just don’t seem to get that.


21 posted on 08/01/2014 6:41:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Rusty0604

Will the DOJ chip in for the funeral costs for dead cops due to PC?


22 posted on 08/01/2014 6:42:34 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: econjack

Exactly.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 7:23:37 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Durus

That is discrimination because there are a lot of guys under 6’.


24 posted on 08/01/2014 7:25:13 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Why should they limit social engineering to only the military?


25 posted on 08/01/2014 7:46:25 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Rusty0604

That’s my point. It was waived for women and not for men making it a clear case of discrimination against men. If a 5’5” woman can do the job then a 5’5” man can do the job.


26 posted on 08/01/2014 7:50:21 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Rusty0604

What, criminals don’t respect female cops enough to slow down for them?


27 posted on 08/01/2014 7:58:45 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Yorlik803

I seem to remember a study that showed that the larger % of women on police forces, the more instances of force had to be used, either by the female cops themselves or male cops in defense of their female partners. I guess a lot of folks didn’t obey them, so force had to be used more often. The police departments with the most black men used the least amount of force, the theory was that they were more intimidating and were obeyed faster.

Freegards


28 posted on 08/01/2014 8:01:54 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Durus

Yes, I was just agreeing with you.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 9:21:52 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Are the requirements necessary. Is the standard equally held? Then it’s fine.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 9:24:14 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Durus

My memory of the mid to late 1960s was that height requirements for cops, was the first to go.

It used to be that a cop would walk into a bar with his billy club and arrest a man alone, or with his partner.


31 posted on 08/01/2014 9:51:26 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Rusty0604

This should be under the heading; “You can’t make this stuff up.”


32 posted on 08/01/2014 10:32:30 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
That's probably a little more realistic than the TJ Hooker type scenes where Heather Locklear takes down some 250 pound, muscular thug.

Ever watch the movie "salt?"

33 posted on 08/01/2014 10:34:47 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Yorlik803
My sister was a cop and was pretty good at using her PR24 nightstick. That and the blackjack.

I remember my father opening an illegal night club in Oklahoma back around 1950. He had a couple black jacks to slow down the floor fights, but he soon discarded them and replaced them with a table leg, the black jacks were just not that effective against drunks in a rage.

34 posted on 08/01/2014 10:40:05 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Durus
In my state there used to be a requirement for state police that they must be a minimum of 6' tall. This was waived for women and is in fact a clear case of discrimination.

If you can't make the height, just claim to be transgendered, then you get preferential treatment.

35 posted on 08/01/2014 10:44:31 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Rusty0604

The racist communist running the “Just Us” department scores another fabricated discrimination case.

To call him a POS is a vast understatement.


36 posted on 08/01/2014 10:47:07 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Apparently the physical requirements are not particularly stressing as what, 94% of men who apply pass the test? Ok, it is likely that only people reasonably fit even apply, but that is still an extremely high pass rate. Apparently 71% of women who apply pass too. That is also a great pass rate. It tells me that passing the test is not impossible for women, and in fact nearly 3 out of 4 women who try it do pass.

Due to the respective bell curves for physical ability, if you made the physical test hard enough that only 50% of men passed it, then essentially NO women would pass.

37 posted on 08/01/2014 10:53:10 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Rusty0604

Just like the military, different standards for different folks.

Wait until they start letting minorities graduate with 50’s instead of 70’s...

some places probably already do


38 posted on 08/01/2014 10:57:41 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: itsahoot

Isn’t it a weird world we live in?


39 posted on 08/01/2014 11:15:37 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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