Skip to comments.Marlins fume after new home-plate collision rule helps Reds get a win
Posted on 08/01/2014 6:09:08 AM PDT by FlJoePa
From manager Mike Redmond after the game:
"To lose a ballgame tonight on that play is a joke. It's an absolute joke. I don't think anybody who plays this game should feel good about winning that game. And I would say that if had been reversed. That guy was out by 15 feet. It was a great baseball play. G threw a strike to Matty. He was out by 15 feet. He didn't slide because he couldn't slide because he was out by so far. And yet those guys in New York decided the outcome of that game ...
"No doubt we have some grinders out there in this clubhouse. To look at them in the face and say we lost the game on a technicality is [B.S.]. Absolutely [B.S.]. I'm so [upset]. Like I said I played this game for so long. I've given this game everything I've had as a player and a manager. What a joke. What a [freaking] joke. That's ridiculous."
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Just a giant FAIL for MLB. Stupid rule all centered around a sissy catcher that got hurt a few years ago.
Fix it. Now!
This happened earlier this month when a Texas Ranger’s catcher crossed from foul to fair just inf front of the plate, caught the ball and swiped the runner out. They called the rule because I guess he went across the foul line. All BS.
It’s called the “Buster Posey” rule for a reason.
I don’t think there’s any dispute whatsoever. the runner had no place to slide.
On the other hand, not sure what the catcher could do? Catch the ball up field then come back?
Absolutely rediculous rule, but no doubt the runner is safe because the catcher did not allow a clear path to the runner.
Check out the video. Austin Jackson was traded in the middle of the 7th inning yesterday. Yanked right off the field then and there.
When the runner is out by 15 feet, there isn’t much reason for leaving a “path to the runner”.
Diamondbacks got bit by this dumbass rule earlier this week too. It’s stupid. MLB needs to dump this one.
True, and I see it the umpires agreed. The guy was so out that he didn’t try to slide, but then again he could have purposely rehearsed that.
Ironic because at a 11-12 yr olds game this summer the kid crossed home plate standing up, he had the throw beat by a mile, and he got thrown out of the game for NOT sliding.
OK...then mandate feet first sliding.
Ironically, in the Cousins/Posey collision of 2011, it would be Posey that would have been in violation of the current rule.
The onus needs to be on the base runner, not the catcher. The catcher is in a defensive position (trying to secure the ball and tag the runner).
more video and tweets from Redmond and MLB. looks like MLB will be reviewing
Not much to review as the game is in the history books. The Marlins got to .500 then went out and traded some good prospects for a quality starter. This was their reward for trying to find their way to the playoffs.
I miss the old days.
These modern guys would soil themselves if they had to face someone like Ty Cobb. He would've killed* to win a game.
“Absolutely (rediculous) rule, but no doubt the runner is safe because the catcher did not allow a clear path to the runner.”
Why isn’t that rule also applied to second and third bases, also?
I also have seen a first baseman standing with ball in hand tag the runner, in the runner’s path! This prevented the runner from having a clear path to the bag.
Another play that was not reviewable was when a Red’s Batter attempted to bunt and ball hit him when he was out of the Batter’s box. Should have been called out. First Base Umpire should have made call., plate umpire was blocked from seeing ball making contact. Play is not REVIEWABLE! Why not?
Not the first time MLB F”D up, on Rule 7:13!
“On the other hand, not sure what the catcher could do? Catch the ball up field then come back?”
I have never understood this rule too well. What does a first baseman do when the throw is into the runner up the line? I guess he can choose to stick his arm out into the runner and risk breaking it, or let it go and risk having it go into the seats. So if runs are so important and that 2 out single will drive in a run, why don’t you see first basemen setting up in front of the plate like catchers on infield dribblers where the play is at first?
This new rule needs to go, it makes no sense.
It has always been simple common sense:
runner must be entitled to the bag he is running to.
field chooses whether or not they want to block runner by standing between them and the bag.
the slide/collision is between two athletes with an assumed “gentlemen’s agreement” to play hard but not resort to dirty tactics that could seriously maime or injur.
baserunners know that they could use dirty tactics in sliding, that are very prone to causing injury, but that someday there may be retribution on them if they push it too hard.
men who push the limits will tend to get hit by pitches more, for example.
It has always all worked fine, the new rule needs to go.
It’s a completely idiotic rule, catcher can’t block the plate.
It’s hardly worth watching those plays this year, it’s like playing “tag” football.
It does not look professional, it looks like a bunch of weenies.
MLB should feel ashamed for contributing to ruining the game.
David Stern ruined basketball; Bud Selig ruined baseball and Roger Goodell is ruining football!
Rounding third and headed for home. (the late Joe Nuxhall)
Heh. The other good one is a-roid calling the ball as he was running the bases between 2nd and 3rd.
I guess my point is you see 1st basemen pull their arm back from contact in front of the runner a lot, but that option is never considered for catchers receiving throws to home.
A friend's boy got suspended from high school for fighting back against a thug three times his size who initiated the fight. That was the rule, they told him. What the hell was the kid supposed to do? Curl up in the fetal position and take a beating?
I’m glad the Reds won, but I don’t know if it was the right call. Also sounds like Marlins errors put them in a bad position.
I couldve made the play, short-hop myself by getting out of the way and coming back to tag him. But Im not going to do that. You get him a lane as the play develops and then you see where the ball goes and you catch it and make a tag. Thats what I did. Its disgusting to think that a game could be decided like that.
If he could have done that and made the play like he said, then do it I guess. The ball beat the runner by a lot. Don’t give the umps a chance to rule on it this way. They are notoriously inconsistent with this nebulous rule. That said, I could easily see this happening to any catcher.
The White House, MLB and John Kerry have made a joint statement today and have agree to change rule 7:13!
The new rule 7:13BS will include a RED LINE 30” from Home Plate, on the Third Base to Home, baseline. If a runner reaches this RED LINE prior to the ball being in the Catchers glove, the runner will be called safe! During the play of any ball being thrown to the Catcher, he must remain at least(minimum ) 20 “ behind Home Plate. Any player(runner is coming from Second base and rounding third heading Home) can raise his hand and be given a “Ollie, Ollie, Oxen Free” free pass to Home Plate. /s, really?
I expected him to do exactly what he did - try to prevent the run from scoring. He got hurt and it sucked, but that happens.
My Dad PLAYED in MLB for the Giants, and I thought the bellyaching and crybabying that ensued (some from Posey himself) was dead wrong.
To take that one isolated incident, and center a new rule around it was a catastrophic mistake. We see this daily within our local/state/*&^&%#@^ gubbmints - and the results are predictable.
Look at post #16 to see how well the gentleman’s agreement worked. Ty Cobb is pictured making a flying, feet-first leap into the crotch of the catcher, wearing actual, sharpened spikes (not just “spikes”) on his feet. How do you retaliate adequately? Drive nails into a bat and smash Ty Cobb’s brains out all over the playing field?
That shouldn’t be allowed for sure. No effort to slide at all. He tackled the catcher.
And that was in the All-Star Game.
That was a harder hit than I’ve seen in the NFL Pro Bowl in 10 years!
... And was banned for life, worldwide.
That famous collision effectively shortened the career of Ray Fosse. That’s why MLB should have banned home plate collisions way back in the day.
... And was banned for life, worldwide... and convicted and sentenced to jail and fined L200,000. (But he did eventually get the ban eased, of course.)
as well as awarding Rose with a lifetime supply of FDS
Just have all calls at the plate reviewed by a panel of liberal female college professors. They will home in on the party most responsible for any deplorable violence in an instant, modified by the race and ethnicity of the players involved of course.
But it led to one of the greatest quotes of all time:
“When the seagulls follow the trawler, it’s because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.”
Heck that would be a 15-yard penalty in the NFL now.
He also lost his place as captain of the French National Team.....but it paved the way for Zidane to take over leadership of the team, which in the end was a blessing in disguise.
Just a bat to both kneecaps.
The problem is that there are players like Cobb who like hurting other people in the course of a game. And that is where these rules come from.
Because (as I said) he did his share of crying to the media after the injury. For quite awhile, I might add.
I don’t think that sped up his rehab any, so what was the point? It wasn’t a dirty play. At all. He was in a bad position and got hurt. That’s all.
I don’t have anything against him, and I’ve always followed the Giants. I think he’s a good (but somewhat overrated) player.
I had an easy solution when I was a catcher. I simply would jump up and avoid Cobb’s “Flying Crotch Stab” and land on his legs or abdomen with my own cleats.
I said “somewhat” overrated.