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Global Warming Vanity

Posted on 08/01/2014 4:52:29 PM PDT by RoosterRedux

I have a question for all those scientific Freepers.

In a world where most of the surface is water, doesn't global warming mean more evaporation and hence more fresh water (i.e. rain and snow)?

And won't the resultant rains serve to cool said planet.


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1 posted on 08/01/2014 4:52:29 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Shhhhhh. Logic is not allowed.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 4:58:20 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: RoosterRedux

Visit steve goddard’s website. I believe he has discussed this in the past.


3 posted on 08/01/2014 4:58:58 PM PDT by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush)
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To: RoosterRedux

Silly Freeper. Then Global Warming wouldn’t be a disaster and then how would Al Gore make money off of it?


4 posted on 08/01/2014 4:59:53 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Actually when water vapor condenses to form rain it releases a large amount of heat to the surrounding air. That is why it is warm at night in the tropics and cold in the desert. The latent heat of condensation is about 539 calories per gram.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 5:00:12 PM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: RoosterRedux
We have EXACTLY the same about of water on this planet that we did 4.6 billion years ago. It's just moved about a bit.

Since there has only been "scientific evidence" for a relative nanosecond, there really is no possibility to see many patterns...yet.

However, we can check back here on the FR in another billion years of so, can't we?

6 posted on 08/01/2014 5:00:35 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: RoosterRedux

The only thing that “cools” the planet is radiation primarily in the infrared into the cold blackness of space, since there is no medium for convection or conduction. The hydrologic cycle just moves water around based on thermal gradients, but the above mechanism is the only way the earth really “cools”.


7 posted on 08/01/2014 5:01:03 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: BillM
Interesting comment.

Will have to research it.

8 posted on 08/01/2014 5:01:27 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: SpaceBar
I guess?

But it rained here today after a long drought...and the earth is much cooler.

Is it possible that some scientists are over-theorizing this stuff?

9 posted on 08/01/2014 5:03:52 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: BillM
But doesn't the water release the very heat that vaporized it to begin with.

And then doesn't the water rain down purely (as opposed to salt water) to the earth.

10 posted on 08/01/2014 5:06:05 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Since the majority of the earth’s surface is water, I’m still wondering where there is enough ice to melt and raise mega millions of square miles of ocean surface.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 5:06:14 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Check this
http://miltonconservative.blogspot.ca/2011/02/simple-chemistry-and-real-greenhouse.html


12 posted on 08/01/2014 5:06:46 PM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: RoosterRedux
The only way to have true Global Warming is to increase the amount of energy from the sun or to reduce the amount of energy radiated back into space.

Other than that you are just moving the energy that is already here from one thing to another. Other than then the conditions above, it is a zero sum game. To make one thing warmer, you must make something else cooler.

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13 posted on 08/01/2014 5:07:23 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: umgud
I agree.

But in the end, the atmosphere gets hot...water evaporates and rains down, cooling the earth.

And the polar surfaces get even colder and build glaciers and ice caps.

14 posted on 08/01/2014 5:09:05 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: hummingbird

ping


15 posted on 08/01/2014 5:13:18 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/category/2014-15-el-nino-series/

Go to the bottom of the page and start with the first entry. Yes, it’s about the El Nino Southern Oscillation, but the answer to your question is in there.


16 posted on 08/01/2014 5:13:45 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Fred Nerks

ping


17 posted on 08/01/2014 5:14:07 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Supposedly, it has something to do with the atmosphere’s “ever-depleting” ozone layer.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 5:14:26 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: BillM

so it’s not the GW that will get us, but the fat content of the condensation ?


19 posted on 08/01/2014 5:18:36 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: stylin19a

Not to worry. Moochelle’s butt requires at least that caloric content to maintain its fullness.


20 posted on 08/01/2014 5:21:14 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux

There is no Global warming at all. The oceans are the same temp or lower when aggregated. The satellite data is very telling. There is no temperature differential above 150 miles since 1957— none. You will see minor regional variations but when averaged temperatures have gone down. Global warming is a false god worshiped by evil people. always remember this law of physics. If you displace a beaker of water with ice cubes and they melt— guess what happens to the level of water? The same. Ha these people are flat earth people!! Total myth and fantacy. They are folding up their tents.


21 posted on 08/01/2014 5:22:35 PM PDT by rlapuma
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To: RoosterRedux

“In a world where most of the surface is water, doesn’t global warming mean more evaporation and hence more fresh water (i.e. rain and snow)? And won’t the resultant rains serve to cool said planet.”

The ‘evaporation absorbs energy (cooling) and the
formation of rain drops releases energy (heating).


22 posted on 08/01/2014 5:25:16 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

And what happens when the rain drops hit the earth?


23 posted on 08/01/2014 5:26:53 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux

“And what happens when the rain drops hit the earth?”

It goes ‘splat’!


24 posted on 08/01/2014 5:27:37 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: rlapuma

“If you displace a beaker of water with ice cubes and they melt— guess what happens to the level of water? The same.”

The ice being referred to here is on land, not in the water. When it melts in runs into bodies of water.


25 posted on 08/01/2014 5:27:43 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: RoosterRedux

So how much influence does the water vapor have as a greenhouse gas?


26 posted on 08/01/2014 5:27:49 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: TexasGator
I think you have it backwards.

Heat creates the transfer from water to vapor...which then rises.

And the cold upper atmosphere causes the vapor to become solid water...and then rain.

27 posted on 08/01/2014 5:29:31 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: mountainlion

I don’t have a greenhouse...but when I get one, I’ll let you know.;-)


28 posted on 08/01/2014 5:31:37 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux

“I think you have it backwards.
Heat creates the transfer from water to vapor...”

That is what I said. REREAD my post.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 5:34:40 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: rlapuma

Well, you sir should get with the program!!

It is not Global warming-

That changed years ago to Global CLIMATE change-

The New official title- Global climate Disruption!

Currently working on a new name - to keep the millennial’s
interested.

LOL


30 posted on 08/01/2014 5:34:50 PM PDT by mj1234
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To: TexasGator
Okey Dokie.

Didn't see the obvious meaning of it...but then I often miss the main message.

Sorry.

Please expound.

31 posted on 08/01/2014 5:37:54 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux
In a world where most of the surface is water, doesn't global warming mean more evaporation and hence more fresh water (i.e. rain and snow)?

Is this a fresh water question, or a "global warming" question?
both are extremely complex and attempting to grasp all the factors involved individually is an impossible task. Trying to understand them together is impossible squared.

Ask any real scientist if he or anyone else fully understands all the factors, interactions and feedback mechanisms that determine long term temperature trends (that's what climate is, by definition) and if he is competent and honest, his answer will be: NO. No one and no group knows!

That is why not IPCC reports are comic books in disguise. The Science is done by scientists, but the final report (the Executive Summary) is done by politicians. Politicians then order the scientific findings and expressed uncertainties modified to agree with the political conclusions.

Just think about all the computer models trotted out over the last 30 years. Every single one fails the simplest test. They fail accurately to predict a past 10 year period trend, having been fed the temperature data from the previous ten or 20 years.

32 posted on 08/01/2014 5:56:02 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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To: publius911
Life is not as nuanced as you portray it.

At the bottom line, it is quite simple.

Unless you are a democrat. And I know you are not.

33 posted on 08/01/2014 5:59:22 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux

“And the cold upper atmosphere causes the vapor to become solid water...

Please expound”

Correct. This heats the earth!


34 posted on 08/01/2014 6:02:41 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Water cools the earth.


35 posted on 08/01/2014 6:06:52 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: Fuzz
How much land do you see under those Icebergs?
36 posted on 08/01/2014 6:10:07 PM PDT by rlapuma
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To: Fuzz

Ok do this. take a glass of water and put a large rock at the bottom. Then fill with ice. Let the ice melt. What do you see? It is the exact same displacement. Go try it.


37 posted on 08/01/2014 6:17:05 PM PDT by rlapuma
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To: RoosterRedux

Not in the way you’re thinking, no. Water IS an evaporative coolant, but what that means is that by evaporating, water absorbs heat energy from what is around it, becoming warmer but cooling its surroundings. This is why sweat cools you when you’re hot. However, thanks to the First Law of Thermodynamics, no actual ‘cooling’ occurs... yes, YOU get cooler, but the sweat (water) gets warmer by an equivalent amount, so the net remains zero. If we had more rain, and more water, we might get some more evaporation, but all that means is the heat is getting shifted around.

There IS, however, a school of thought that suggests that global warming will change the atmosphere’s reflectivity (via clouds, etc) in a negative feedback loop. Warm air can hold more water. Wetter air means more clouds, and clouds reflect more energy to space than they keep in. So... planet warms up, more clouds form, more sunlight reflected, planet cools down, less clouds, cooling stops. Bingo, instant climate-controlled planet!

To be honest, this is a much more reasonable hypothesis than the idea that somehow Earth ‘lucked into’ the exact right temperature, and minute changes in the atmosphere will send us hurtling in one temperature direction or the other. The climate alarmists believe temperature is like a ball sitting on a peak... push it off in any direction, and it just speeds off in that direction. I believe temperature is a like a ball sitting in a trough. Push it in one direction, and the forces of equilibrium conspire to nudge back to where it started.

We remain at roughly the same temperature through the millennia because the Earth self-corrects, and the only thing that REALLY effects long term temps is solar output (i.e. putting more or less energy into the system to begin with).

Hope that makes sense!


38 posted on 08/01/2014 6:33:55 PM PDT by Sasha_S
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To: Sasha_S
It makes great sense.

Until the "I believe" part.

Do you have proof or don't you?

39 posted on 08/01/2014 6:39:27 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: rlapuma

“Ok do this. take a glass of water and put a large rock at the bottom. Then fill with ice. Let the ice melt. What do you see? It is the exact same displacement.”

Your analogy is flawed. Fill a glass of water. Place a screen on top of the glass. Place a large ice cube on top of the screen so that when it melts the water drips into the glass. What would you see?


40 posted on 08/01/2014 6:46:59 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: RoosterRedux
You tried to use logic and scientific stuff and apply it to Global Cooling/Global Warming/Climate Change...

This must not be allowed because such would reveal the greatest scam in human history. Global Cooling/Global Warming/Climate Change is not about science or logic or even common sense.

Global Cooling/Global Warming/Climate Change is all about fleecing the populace of money and for that money to end up in the pockets of the Global Cooling/Global Warming/Climate Change Doom-Sayers...

41 posted on 08/01/2014 6:55:31 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: RoosterRedux

What you’re asking is for extremists comprehend the principle of balance the way you do. It can’t be done.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 7:22:41 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com (I Won't Go Underground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wema3CNqzvg)
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To: RoosterRedux
Oh btw,


43 posted on 08/01/2014 7:24:24 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com (I Won't Go Underground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wema3CNqzvg)
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To: RoosterRedux

Well, outside of being called a F**kStick, The left loves to use weather as a means of Global Warming.

I do believe hurricane season is Al Gore’s #1 for proof.

Bill Weir of CNN is a dipshit of the highest order and fails to see his own ignorance.

Hey Bill, A Hurricane is weather. A hurricane has been weather longer than your putrid ass.


44 posted on 08/01/2014 7:32:48 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storarned m chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: RoosterRedux

The answer is in your question. There’s no such thing as global warming. If Carl Sagan hadn’t been a pot-head, the ‘greenhouse effect’ would never have been heard of. He coined that phrase only because he and his cahoots couldn’t explain why Venus was hot.


45 posted on 08/01/2014 7:37:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum...)
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To: RoosterRedux

I jumped ahead of the thread. Sorry

Al Gore was promised a part of the NWO. In order to get everybody onboard was to create a crises that everyone must be involved.

They gave him Global Warming. All of academia jumped on board.

Do I need to bring up all of the calamities since 1945 that have been foisted upon the good people of the United States?

Start with Godzilla vs King Kong and go from there.


46 posted on 08/01/2014 7:45:28 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storarned m chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: RoosterRedux

http://www.thunderbolts.info/velikovsky-ghost.htm

you’re going to be sorry you asked...lol!


47 posted on 08/01/2014 8:00:27 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum...)
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To: Fuzz

Not proper analogy unless the ice is elevated 100 feet in the air over the arctic sea.


48 posted on 08/01/2014 9:20:12 PM PDT by rlapuma
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To: rlapuma

Here this will convince you. Take a glass and fill it half full of dirt. Then add 1 inch of water and fill that with ice then mark the displacement. Watch it melt and you have it— no increase in displacement. Pretty simple.


49 posted on 08/01/2014 9:23:56 PM PDT by rlapuma
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To: RoosterRedux

The ‘I believe’ part is only in reference to the analogy I used. I should have phrased it as ‘I like to view temperature correction as a trough’.


50 posted on 08/02/2014 5:27:52 AM PDT by Sasha_S
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