Skip to comments.Global Warming Vanity
Posted on 08/01/2014 4:52:29 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
I have a question for all those scientific Freepers.
In a world where most of the surface is water, doesn't global warming mean more evaporation and hence more fresh water (i.e. rain and snow)?
And won't the resultant rains serve to cool said planet.
Shhhhhh. Logic is not allowed.
Visit steve goddard’s website. I believe he has discussed this in the past.
Silly Freeper. Then Global Warming wouldn’t be a disaster and then how would Al Gore make money off of it?
Actually when water vapor condenses to form rain it releases a large amount of heat to the surrounding air. That is why it is warm at night in the tropics and cold in the desert. The latent heat of condensation is about 539 calories per gram.
Since there has only been "scientific evidence" for a relative nanosecond, there really is no possibility to see many patterns...yet.
However, we can check back here on the FR in another billion years of so, can't we?
The only thing that “cools” the planet is radiation primarily in the infrared into the cold blackness of space, since there is no medium for convection or conduction. The hydrologic cycle just moves water around based on thermal gradients, but the above mechanism is the only way the earth really “cools”.
Will have to research it.
But it rained here today after a long drought...and the earth is much cooler.
Is it possible that some scientists are over-theorizing this stuff?
And then doesn't the water rain down purely (as opposed to salt water) to the earth.
Since the majority of the earth’s surface is water, I’m still wondering where there is enough ice to melt and raise mega millions of square miles of ocean surface.
Other than that you are just moving the energy that is already here from one thing to another. Other than then the conditions above, it is a zero sum game. To make one thing warmer, you must make something else cooler.
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But in the end, the atmosphere gets hot...water evaporates and rains down, cooling the earth.
And the polar surfaces get even colder and build glaciers and ice caps.
Go to the bottom of the page and start with the first entry. Yes, it’s about the El Nino Southern Oscillation, but the answer to your question is in there.
Supposedly, it has something to do with the atmosphere’s “ever-depleting” ozone layer.
so it’s not the GW that will get us, but the fat content of the condensation ?
Not to worry. Moochelle’s butt requires at least that caloric content to maintain its fullness.
There is no Global warming at all. The oceans are the same temp or lower when aggregated. The satellite data is very telling. There is no temperature differential above 150 miles since 1957— none. You will see minor regional variations but when averaged temperatures have gone down. Global warming is a false god worshiped by evil people. always remember this law of physics. If you displace a beaker of water with ice cubes and they melt— guess what happens to the level of water? The same. Ha these people are flat earth people!! Total myth and fantacy. They are folding up their tents.
“In a world where most of the surface is water, doesn’t global warming mean more evaporation and hence more fresh water (i.e. rain and snow)? And won’t the resultant rains serve to cool said planet.”
The ‘evaporation absorbs energy (cooling) and the
formation of rain drops releases energy (heating).
And what happens when the rain drops hit the earth?
“And what happens when the rain drops hit the earth?”
It goes ‘splat’!
“If you displace a beaker of water with ice cubes and they melt guess what happens to the level of water? The same.”
The ice being referred to here is on land, not in the water. When it melts in runs into bodies of water.
So how much influence does the water vapor have as a greenhouse gas?
Heat creates the transfer from water to vapor...which then rises.
And the cold upper atmosphere causes the vapor to become solid water...and then rain.
I don’t have a greenhouse...but when I get one, I’ll let you know.;-)
“I think you have it backwards.
Heat creates the transfer from water to vapor...”
That is what I said. REREAD my post.
Well, you sir should get with the program!!
It is not Global warming-
That changed years ago to Global CLIMATE change-
The New official title- Global climate Disruption!
Currently working on a new name - to keep the millennial’s
Didn't see the obvious meaning of it...but then I often miss the main message.
Is this a fresh water question, or a "global warming" question?
both are extremely complex and attempting to grasp all the factors involved individually is an impossible task. Trying to understand them together is impossible squared.
Ask any real scientist if he or anyone else fully understands all the factors, interactions and feedback mechanisms that determine long term temperature trends (that's what climate is, by definition) and if he is competent and honest, his answer will be: NO. No one and no group knows!
That is why not IPCC reports are comic books in disguise. The Science is done by scientists, but the final report (the Executive Summary) is done by politicians. Politicians then order the scientific findings and expressed uncertainties modified to agree with the political conclusions.
Just think about all the computer models trotted out over the last 30 years. Every single one fails the simplest test. They fail accurately to predict a past 10 year period trend, having been fed the temperature data from the previous ten or 20 years.
At the bottom line, it is quite simple.
Unless you are a democrat. And I know you are not.
“And the cold upper atmosphere causes the vapor to become solid water...
Correct. This heats the earth!
Water cools the earth.
Ok do this. take a glass of water and put a large rock at the bottom. Then fill with ice. Let the ice melt. What do you see? It is the exact same displacement. Go try it.
Not in the way you’re thinking, no. Water IS an evaporative coolant, but what that means is that by evaporating, water absorbs heat energy from what is around it, becoming warmer but cooling its surroundings. This is why sweat cools you when you’re hot. However, thanks to the First Law of Thermodynamics, no actual ‘cooling’ occurs... yes, YOU get cooler, but the sweat (water) gets warmer by an equivalent amount, so the net remains zero. If we had more rain, and more water, we might get some more evaporation, but all that means is the heat is getting shifted around.
There IS, however, a school of thought that suggests that global warming will change the atmosphere’s reflectivity (via clouds, etc) in a negative feedback loop. Warm air can hold more water. Wetter air means more clouds, and clouds reflect more energy to space than they keep in. So... planet warms up, more clouds form, more sunlight reflected, planet cools down, less clouds, cooling stops. Bingo, instant climate-controlled planet!
To be honest, this is a much more reasonable hypothesis than the idea that somehow Earth ‘lucked into’ the exact right temperature, and minute changes in the atmosphere will send us hurtling in one temperature direction or the other. The climate alarmists believe temperature is like a ball sitting on a peak... push it off in any direction, and it just speeds off in that direction. I believe temperature is a like a ball sitting in a trough. Push it in one direction, and the forces of equilibrium conspire to nudge back to where it started.
We remain at roughly the same temperature through the millennia because the Earth self-corrects, and the only thing that REALLY effects long term temps is solar output (i.e. putting more or less energy into the system to begin with).
Hope that makes sense!
Until the "I believe" part.
Do you have proof or don't you?
“Ok do this. take a glass of water and put a large rock at the bottom. Then fill with ice. Let the ice melt. What do you see? It is the exact same displacement.”
Your analogy is flawed. Fill a glass of water. Place a screen on top of the glass. Place a large ice cube on top of the screen so that when it melts the water drips into the glass. What would you see?
This must not be allowed because such would reveal the greatest scam in human history. Global Cooling/Global Warming/Climate Change is not about science or logic or even common sense.
Global Cooling/Global Warming/Climate Change is all about fleecing the populace of money and for that money to end up in the pockets of the Global Cooling/Global Warming/Climate Change Doom-Sayers...
What you’re asking is for extremists comprehend the principle of balance the way you do. It can’t be done.
Well, outside of being called a F**kStick, The left loves to use weather as a means of Global Warming.
I do believe hurricane season is Al Gore’s #1 for proof.
Bill Weir of CNN is a dipshit of the highest order and fails to see his own ignorance.
Hey Bill, A Hurricane is weather. A hurricane has been weather longer than your putrid ass.
The answer is in your question. There’s no such thing as global warming. If Carl Sagan hadn’t been a pot-head, the ‘greenhouse effect’ would never have been heard of. He coined that phrase only because he and his cahoots couldn’t explain why Venus was hot.
I jumped ahead of the thread. Sorry
Al Gore was promised a part of the NWO. In order to get everybody onboard was to create a crises that everyone must be involved.
They gave him Global Warming. All of academia jumped on board.
Do I need to bring up all of the calamities since 1945 that have been foisted upon the good people of the United States?
Start with Godzilla vs King Kong and go from there.
you’re going to be sorry you asked...lol!
Not proper analogy unless the ice is elevated 100 feet in the air over the arctic sea.
Here this will convince you. Take a glass and fill it half full of dirt. Then add 1 inch of water and fill that with ice then mark the displacement. Watch it melt and you have it— no increase in displacement. Pretty simple.
The ‘I believe’ part is only in reference to the analogy I used. I should have phrased it as ‘I like to view temperature correction as a trough’.
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