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Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki Racist Acts?
International Business Times ^ | August 5, 2011 | Palash Ghosh

Posted on 08/09/2014 1:11:12 AM PDT by right-wing agnostic

Saturday marks the 66th anniversary of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima – devastating acts that helped bring World War Two to a close. (Three days after Hiroshima, Nagasaki was similarly battered).

The attacks – the only time nuclear weapons have ever been used in world history to date – killed tens of thousands of people and shocked the planet with the scale of their destruction.

There has been much controversy over the decision to bomb Japan and some speculation that it might have been racially motivated (given that the U.S. military did not drop such weapons on European civilian targets).

Anti-Japanese discrimination was widespread in the United States long before the war, as exemplified by immigration restrictions the government imposed upon the Japanese (as well as other Asians).

However, the bombing of Pearl Harbor in Hawaii by the Imperial Japanese military threw that animosity into overdrive that lasted well after the second world war.

About 120,000 Japanese-Americans were rounded up into internment camps during the war, while propaganda was mass- produced that depicted the Japanese as subhuman and extremely cruel and depraved.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; businesstimes; corporateliberalism; hiroshima; nagasaki; playtheracecard; racism; revisionisthistory; waronhistory
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The author regurgitates the ahistorical bull $hit pushed by the late Howard Zinn and like-minded historians that the United States only dropped the atomic bombs on Japan because they were predominately a white (read: racist) culture in 1945. The author does note, seemingly dismissively, that Germany had surrendered before we tested the first atomic bomb at the Alamogordo Bombing and Gunnery Range in New Mexico on July 16, 1945. My pet peeve, other than the United States being considered a racist country for using the atomic bombs on Japan, is that they are often referred to as "nuclear" bombs. But we did not test our first thermonuclear bomb until November 1, 1952 when President Harry Truman ordered the hydrogen bomb, "Ivy Mike", to be tested on Enewetak Atoll in the Pacific./rwa
1 posted on 08/09/2014 1:11:12 AM PDT by right-wing agnostic
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To: right-wing agnostic

The fact stood right out that we didn’t have a nuke to drop on Berlin. If we did, we would have used it. We did a terrific amount of damage on German targets much worse than the two nukes we dropped on Japan. Dresden comes to mind. Along with the red army invasion of Berlin.

And this isiot author makes no mention of Japanese belief in their superior race. Chinese weren’t even thought of as human beings when the imperial army marched through Shanghai and Nanking.


2 posted on 08/09/2014 1:27:48 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: right-wing agnostic
there have been a lot of arguments made about this. My feeling is that it was absolutely necessary to end the war decisively and on America's terms. In the absence of such a decisive American victory, the war would have continued and the resulting reality would almost certainly have been less favorable for America. So, I don't think it was racist at all, it was a final chess move designed to place America squarely and undeniably at the top of the global food chain. And here we are. still.
3 posted on 08/09/2014 1:37:46 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: right-wing agnostic

From three days ago:

Dropping Atomic Bombs on Japan Was Imperative

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3189617/posts


4 posted on 08/09/2014 1:41:46 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: PastorBooks

I always thought it was a shame that the Gadget wasn’t ready in time for the European Theater.


5 posted on 08/09/2014 1:44:35 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: right-wing agnostic
Incidentally, my grandfather was stationed on Guam in the Army Air Corps. His job was to load bombs onto trucks and ships. He always claimed that he was twice tasked with driving a truck loaded with the A-Bombs down a long pier to waiting ships. He claimed he had no idea what the first one was other than "the biggest GD bomb I had ever seen" but he knew what was in the back of his truck the second time. Apparently a major storm was throwing waves over the pier the second time as he drove down it with a giant atomic bomb in the back of his truck.

That was his story anyways.

Grandma, bless her heart, was a nurse stationed at Pearl Harbor and then later at Saipan. She had some good stories too.

A toast to all WW2 vets. America's finest generation.

6 posted on 08/09/2014 1:46:20 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: right-wing agnostic

No but they were effective


7 posted on 08/09/2014 1:48:36 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: right-wing agnostic

Nuclear = “A-Bomb” and Thermonuclear = “H-Bomb” IIRC. BTW, I believe the “trigger” on an “H-Bomb” that gets the ball rolling is a built-in “A-Bomb” inside. Any physicists here can confirm that or correct me.


8 posted on 08/09/2014 1:54:40 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
BTW, I believe the “trigger” on an “H-Bomb” that gets the ball rolling is a built-in “A-Bomb” inside.

Yep.

The X-ray and gamma ray pulse from the primary compresses the secondary, initiating a fusion reaction, which amplifies the yield considerably.

9 posted on 08/09/2014 2:08:17 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: right-wing agnostic

Racist?

Which side was yellow?


10 posted on 08/09/2014 2:09:48 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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i have an uncle---who is still alive---who said that he was in a ship in the waters near Japan and getting ready to be among the first troops to invade Japan when the bombs fell. He may have died a very young man if the bombs were not dropped and he had to fight his way into Japan. The bombs may have saved his life.

So I agree completely with the decision to drop the two bombs.

He spent a few quiet months in Japan soon after the surrender.

11 posted on 08/09/2014 2:25:18 AM PDT by john mirse
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Did anyone point out that Germany is not an island? Germany was being invaded on two fronts, and there was no way Germany could have held out, like Japan possibly could have.


12 posted on 08/09/2014 2:26:34 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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Did anyone point out that Germany is not an island? Germany was being invaded on two fronts, and there was no way Germany could have held out, like Japan possibly could have.


13 posted on 08/09/2014 2:28:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: cynwoody

And each single ICBM or SLBM holds about eight of those in a MIRV configuration, meaning eight separate targets (bases, ports, cities, industrial complexes or what have you) can be targeted and utterly destroyed, IIRC.


14 posted on 08/09/2014 2:43:37 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: right-wing agnostic

Was the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor racist? Was the war in the Pacific racist?


15 posted on 08/09/2014 2:47:11 AM PDT by monocle
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To: RC one

No, we are not on top anymore. Came and went. We have allowed political correctness to trump all else: survival, jobs, safety, economy, and our very existence. All the 70s hippies and celebrities cost us dearly, like ripples through a pond we have all allowed a small majority to dictate what is right and wrong. We could have won Vietnam decisively, the Gulf War, and now Iraq and Afghanistan. Vietnam we should have burnt those jungles to the ground and scoured every last vestige of NLF out and beaten them so badly into submission that they would not threaten anyone for a thousand years. The Gulf was fine, but the second time around we should have given the Kurds authority and let them rule. In Afghanistan we should have reduced those mountains to rubble and trapped all the cockroaches inside, burnt the poppy fields and scoured the earth so that none could ever grow there again. We should have let Israel go into Gaza and utterly obliterated anyone even thinking of taking up arms against the Jewish people.

But nope, a few celebrities and political figures changed the way one generation thought and now they are all grown up.


16 posted on 08/09/2014 2:49:09 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Evil must be punished.)
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To: john mirse

My late father was sitting on Okinawa with a few other guys preparing to invade. He was sent to Tsingtao, China to pacify the place instead.


17 posted on 08/09/2014 2:51:19 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: right-wing agnostic

So what if they were? What is wrong with protecting one’s extended family?


18 posted on 08/09/2014 2:58:36 AM PDT by IChing
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To: right-wing agnostic

I believe nuclear is a fair term for an atomic, or fission, bomb.


19 posted on 08/09/2014 2:59:00 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: right-wing agnostic

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2005/08/the-morality-of-dropping-the-atomic-bomb-on-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/

And the stay-at-homers can whine all they want, but the fact remains that the bombs were dropped and the US won the war. I don’t see them getting this case sent to any court, so it’s all just hot air.


20 posted on 08/09/2014 2:59:46 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And each single ICBM or SLBM holds about eight of those in a MIRV configuration, meaning eight separate targets (bases, ports, cities, industrial complexes or what have you) can be targeted and utterly destroyed, IIRC.

Here's how a Peacekeeper test looked downrange (Kwajalein) with dummy warheads:


Post-boost vehicle of an MX intercontinental ballistic missile being loaded
300kt each

21 posted on 08/09/2014 3:01:32 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: right-wing agnostic
Had it been done with any other focus than ending the war, I suppose a few hundred incendiary missions could have been flown first...

Some of the horsecrap people come up with in retrospect is simply amazing.

Ending that war then likely saved millions of Japanese lives, not to mention considerable numbers of allied lives as well.

22 posted on 08/09/2014 3:07:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Sadly true. Though our troops have prevailed on the battlefield, we have failed to obtain unconditional surrender from all but a couple of small conflicts (Grenada, Panama/Noriega). We continue to play a winning hand badly at the political level.


23 posted on 08/09/2014 3:12:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
propaganda was mass- produced that depicted the Japanese as subhuman and extremely cruel and depraved

My late dad could have told anyone, without resorting to trumped-up or manufactured propanganda after his 4-year stint in Japanese POW camps, that the Japanese military was "extremely cruel and depraved." The only Japanese plan for POWs (in only mild preference to "take no prisoners," i.e., kill them on the spot) was to get whatever work output they could from them in their stored-up body mass, subsidized only slightly by meager rice rations. When the POW's body mass was depleted and their work on earth was ended, they were simply expected to die, according to the calculations done long before.

Compare that to how Gitmo detainees have been treated.

HF

24 posted on 08/09/2014 3:34:18 AM PDT by holden
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“Was the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor racist? Was the war in the Pacific racist?”

Absolutely. It was based upon the premise that Asians should rightfully be slaves of the yellow race (Japanese) rather than the white race; hence the Japanese strategy known as the “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere”.


25 posted on 08/09/2014 3:37:06 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: holden

My father would never buy a Japanese car, period.


26 posted on 08/09/2014 3:38:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dropping those bombs on Japan had NOTHING to do with race, it had everything to do with ending a long and bloody war brought on by Japan no matter what race their people were.

Time to get off the race baiting bus.


27 posted on 08/09/2014 3:47:53 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: john mirse

Last night I watched the first two episodes of the new TV series Manhattan from the WGN network (watch free on Hulu).

One of the things some of the characters emphasized is how many Americans were dying every day in the war. The scientists would update the casualty numbers on the chalk board daily, and were fighting over how to shave just a few weeks off of the schedule to make the bomb ready.


28 posted on 08/09/2014 3:51:20 AM PDT by ChronicMA
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To: right-wing agnostic
There has been much controversy over the decision to bomb Japan and some speculation that it might have been racially motivated...

This ignorant author apparently is unaware of the firebombing of Dresden.


29 posted on 08/09/2014 3:58:47 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: holden
My late dad could have told anyone, without resorting to trumped-up or manufactured propanganda after his 4-year stint in Japanese POW camps, that the Japanese military was "extremely cruel and depraved." The only Japanese plan for POWs (in only mild preference to "take no prisoners," i.e., kill them on the spot) was to get whatever work output they could from them in their stored-up body mass, subsidized only slightly by meager rice rations. When the POW's body mass was depleted and their work on earth was ended, they were simply expected to die, according to the calculations done long before.

The Japanese also had plans to murder all POWs in the event of invasion or defeat. It was only the rapid surrender after Nagasaki that forestalled this.

30 posted on 08/09/2014 4:00:13 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: right-wing agnostic

Yes - lets finally admit it. Anything and everything that whites have ever done is racist.


31 posted on 08/09/2014 4:01:59 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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32 posted on 08/09/2014 4:13:30 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: Altura Ct.

Never forget the internment camps for Japanese - Americans !


33 posted on 08/09/2014 4:14:24 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: right-wing agnostic

The author seem to be ignorant of the fact Japan had its own Oppenheimer in Yoshio Nishina. He also ignores the racism practiced by the Japanese against other Asians, the Chinese and Koreans in particular.


34 posted on 08/09/2014 4:18:06 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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35 posted on 08/09/2014 4:21:26 AM PDT by sushiman
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36 posted on 08/09/2014 4:24:49 AM PDT by sushiman
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37 posted on 08/09/2014 4:29:21 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: right-wing agnostic

Does anyone recall that the Japs sent air baloons carrying clay urns filled with fleas carrying plague over the USA? One was discovered by a family in Colorado, who opened it and they all died. The Japs had resorted to bio-weapons! Poor Japs is all the Libtards will talk about all these years.


38 posted on 08/09/2014 4:31:28 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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Never forget how Japanese = Americans were treated . How come German-Americans weren’t rounded up and interned ?


39 posted on 08/09/2014 4:35:38 AM PDT by sushiman
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Cuz they were not WHITE !


40 posted on 08/09/2014 4:36:15 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: Smokin' Joe

And anyone who doesn’t think so is either completely ignorant of the history of the Pacific War, especially events at Okinawa, or is a Big Liar who just wants to drag the USA down, a la Zinn.


41 posted on 08/09/2014 4:37:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Organic Panic

If Hitler had continued with Germany’s own atomic experiments and developed an a-bomb, he would have most certainly used it on Britain or Russia. The V-2 rockets were destructive enough, and there was no defense against them. Doubtless, Hitler would have armed some with a-bombs and aimed them at London.


42 posted on 08/09/2014 4:38:03 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: right-wing agnostic

After the millions of Chinese and other countries civilians slaughtered by Japanese troops, it’s difficult for me to work up a lot of tears for Japanese civilians dead from our bombing raids. In fact, some of our non-nuclear raids killed over 100k Japanese civilians...about as many as the a-bomb blasts. And we knew they were going to die in large numbers from the fires burning out of control due to the many wooden houses. Were those Japanese civilians any less dead than the civilians from Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The Japanese should have thought of that before they started the war.


43 posted on 08/09/2014 4:46:03 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: sushiman

Wow, I guess this proves it. I bet this woman led the Death Valley Death March of March 1942. When all the Japanese Americans were rounded up and forced to March through Death Valley with no food or water. If someone fell down they were bayoneted or shot or kicked to death. Americans only fought back after Pearl Harbor because we were racists.


44 posted on 08/09/2014 4:48:03 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: right-wing agnostic

They’re desperate to find racism, now that there is very little racism coming from Whites. They dig in the past, they revise the past, they condemn team names, and see racism in everything a White says.


45 posted on 08/09/2014 4:52:15 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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Do you care to mention what happened to American civilians who happened to be in the wrong place at the beginning of the war? Especially women and children on mission trips to the Philippines, Japan, and China. I guess not. In the modern thought the interment camps were wrong. But in the historical context they were not fatal.
46 posted on 08/09/2014 4:53:46 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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THESE PEOPLE WERE AMERICAN CITIZENS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
47 posted on 08/09/2014 4:58:44 AM PDT by sushiman
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While Americans did have a racial animus against the Japanese at the time, it was not as strong as the Japanese racial animus against Americans.

That animus had nothing to do with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, however.

Invading the home islands by ourselves, without the assistance of the Soviets and the British like we had in Europe, would have been a much more costly necessity than D-Day.

We would have lost twice as many men in WWII as we did if we had gone conventional.

48 posted on 08/09/2014 5:16:14 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: sushiman
Close to 40% of the white population of America had German ancestry, with several states having more German Americans than any other kind.

Race was a factor, another factor was that neither the Germans nor the Italians had attacked American soil the way the Japanese did, another factor was that German Americans had roots going back to the colonial period, another factor was that something like 80% of Japanese Americans lived in one region (Southern California) and it was an area essential to the war effort.

49 posted on 08/09/2014 5:24:49 AM PDT by wideawake
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I see clothing and food. They don’t look malnourished or injured. I said it was wrong but it was the expedient thing to do. How many of them died? How many were raped or tortured? Gimme some facts to back up your emotion. Had they been American Japanese in Japan would they have been allowed to go freely about their lives along the eastern coast of Japan?


50 posted on 08/09/2014 5:26:17 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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