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Ferguson Police's PR Stunt Poisons Independent and Impartial Investigation
aclu ^ | 8-15-2014 | Dennis Parker, Director, ACLU Racial Justice Program

Posted on 08/18/2014 6:59:47 AM PDT by Citizen Zed

The Ferguson Police Department's actions appear misleading and remarkably cynical. They call into question the department's commitment to ensuring an independent and impartial investigation into the killing of Michael Brown. The video and incident report released are of dubious relevance. The decision to disclose them suggests an attempt to assassinate Mr. Brown's character by showing that he had roughly pushed a convenience store clerk on the day that he was killed. The one-sided and piecemeal disclosure of potentially irrelevant and prejudicial information, while continuing to withhold the critical police incident report that the public has demanded, suggests a desire to confuse rather than to shine a light on what happened.

Mr. Brown's family and the public deserve better. The Ferguson police's disclosures seem more like spin control than objective investigation. The department's apparent attempts to impugn the character of a shooting victim while withholding potentially revealing information about the conduct of its own police officer makes a mockery of the concepts of fairness and impartiality.

Therefore, the ACLU calls for an independent and comprehensive federal investigation by the Department of Justice of the fatal shooting of Michael Brown. Without this, there can be no justice for the Brown family or honest conversation about excessive force, racialized policing, law enforcement accountability and transparency, and the kinds of systemic reforms that are critically needed to ensure fair and effective policing in Ferguson and throughout our country.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: aclu; blackkk; ferguson; foia; michaelbrown; missouri
I want to see the cop file a defamation suit against the left wing conspiracy that created and defends Michael Brown.
1 posted on 08/18/2014 6:59:47 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

Do I detect a note of sour grapes from the American Communist Liberal Union that the air has been let out of their Ferguson narrative?


2 posted on 08/18/2014 7:01:49 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Citizen Zed

It isn’t even his son. It is his step-son, IIRC.


3 posted on 08/18/2014 7:04:07 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Citizen Zed

The aclu. LOL! Sorry boys, your terrorists making Ferguson look like Benghazi “poisoned” your “independent and impartial investigation.” Jerks!


4 posted on 08/18/2014 7:04:13 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It's my home!)
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To: Citizen Zed
The Arch-angel Michael, aka Michelangelo, the Teenage Unarmed Gentle Giant


5 posted on 08/18/2014 7:04:20 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (St. Louis County)
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To: Citizen Zed
They make an excellent point.

None of the personality traits Brown displayed during his robbery and assault could possibly have come out during the confrontation he had with the officer.

It's always bad to have more information and more context.

6 posted on 08/18/2014 7:04:22 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Citizen Zed
The department's apparent attempts to impugn the character of a shooting victim while withholding potentially revealing information about the conduct of its own police officer makes a mockery of the concepts of fairness and impartiality.

Yeah, we can't have the truth get in the way of the Gentle Giant meme, can we?

7 posted on 08/18/2014 7:05:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Citizen Zed

The ACLU is upset that the saintly portrait of Micheal Brown, which was painted by those involved and the MSM, is not just becoming “tarnished,” but is being shown to be a complete and utter FORGERY!

I mean, we haven’t seen a forgery this bad since Obama’s birth certificate!


8 posted on 08/18/2014 7:05:01 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: PghBaldy

Oh - and it is groups like the ACLU which pushed for FOIA and similar laws which apparently forced Ferguson PD to release the info.


9 posted on 08/18/2014 7:05:44 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Citizen Zed

Hell Ron Johnson openly sided with the “protesters” yesterday. The media keeps pretending he’s made things better but snuggling up to the black pampers and taking sides has only encouraged the worst behavior.


10 posted on 08/18/2014 7:06:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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To: Citizen Zed

” The video and incident report released are of dubious relevance. The decision to disclose them suggests an attempt to assassinate Mr. Brown’s character by showing that he had roughly pushed a convenience store clerk on the day that he was killed. “

If they didn’t turn over information demanded by FOIA requests, the ACLU would also be outraged (depending on the information).


11 posted on 08/18/2014 7:06:20 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: dirtboy

LOL—You literally took the words right out of my mouth.


12 posted on 08/18/2014 7:07:04 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: Charles Henrickson

“Are you going to believe me or your own lying eyes?”


13 posted on 08/18/2014 7:09:13 AM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: headstamp 2

Yep. The chief said he wanted to “sit on it” or something like that, but eventually there were too many FOIA requests to ignore.


14 posted on 08/18/2014 7:10:04 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: TexasGator

I think the video is completely relevant if the incident occurred just minutes before the confrontation. It shows the state of mind and general disposition of Brown beforehand. It also gives context of what the officer was dealing with.


15 posted on 08/18/2014 7:11:38 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Citizen Zed

The video and police report give a possible motive for Brown to attack the police officer. In short, it is critical to any understanding of the case. Of all people, the ACLU should be concerned about a fair investigation and, if warranted, a fair trial. However, it seems they might be okay with throwing the cop to the mob and applauding the lynching.


16 posted on 08/18/2014 7:12:10 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Citizen Zed
The video and incident report released are of dubious relevance.

Evidence is of dubious relevance.

And ENOUGH of the “unarmed black teenager” propaganda.

There were 726 homicides committed in the USA in 2011 alone with hands, fists and feet, and the majority of those homicides were committed by young black males.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

A 6’4” 292-pound documented violent thug like Saint Michael would be more than willing and capable of killing a cop with his bare hands and Air Jordans.

17 posted on 08/18/2014 7:13:42 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Citizen Zed

It appears relevant facts are spoiling the ACLU “narrative”. We can’t have the police telling their side of the story. That spoils the story line the ACLU made up.


18 posted on 08/18/2014 7:14:34 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: Citizen Zed
The video and incident report released are of dubious relevance.

Ridiculous.

19 posted on 08/18/2014 7:14:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Citizen Zed

We are expected to believe that Mike had never before roughed up a clerk and robbed a store.


20 posted on 08/18/2014 7:15:28 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Citizen Zed

I want to see huge class action law suits brought against the ACLU and it’s membership. Surely their are some greedy lawyers out there who know where the real money is.


21 posted on 08/18/2014 7:15:37 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: jsanders2001

“I think the video is completely relevant”

True. But the race-baiters have turned the story around demonizing the Ferguson police for releasing when they had to release due to multiple FOIA requests by the media.


22 posted on 08/18/2014 7:15:39 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Citizen Zed

IF that’s the best the ACLU’s got, it is proof that these are a collection of dim-bulb progressives with the collective IQ of the Obamadork’s West Wing of felon/cretins.

Sorry, ACLY, your guy robbed a store.

He’s a slimy crook.

Shove it up your collective smelly Obamaholes....along with your 5 cent law degrees.


23 posted on 08/18/2014 7:15:58 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Citizen Zed

Jesus Christ Himself could conduct the investigation and regardless of His findings, half the people would think He’s covering up something.


24 posted on 08/18/2014 7:17:35 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Citizen Zed

of course it isn’t one sided to say the cop assassinated the kid! or to suggest he was shot in cold blood and then to incite riots on that suggestion. f the aclu


25 posted on 08/18/2014 7:22:51 AM PDT by sappy (criminaldems)
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To: Citizen Zed
Q: Why don't groups like the ACLU and dems put all this energy, time and effort into doing positive things for the country?

A: Probably because there's no easily exploitable 'victims' along with way less money and lots more real work. Sounds familiar, eh?

26 posted on 08/18/2014 7:23:40 AM PDT by W. (LBJ, edited: 'I'll have 'em riotin', lootin' and votin' dem0crat for the next 100 years!--Sarc?)
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To: Citizen Zed

If the video were really so irrelevant.....the ACLU wouldn’t be outraged.

Of course its relevant.


27 posted on 08/18/2014 7:24:54 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: wideawake

I know, right? Like, he had already taken out his aggression on that store clerk. He couldn’t have had any aggression left in him.


28 posted on 08/18/2014 7:26:19 AM PDT by BykrBayb (The ovens weren’t lit in '35, but the smell of sulfur was in the air. ~ Þ)
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To: Citizen Zed

The Zimmerman case is now the template to the MSM for all justified shootings and I’m not sorry the left shot their wad to set it that way. The only way I could get the real story was from here which was later verified in court.

With Crump involved in this case now, law enforcement didn’t have much choice whether to go forward or keep quiet.


29 posted on 08/18/2014 7:27:44 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Citizen Zed
The ACLU objects to the release of the video depicting Michael Brown in the commission of a crime, strong-arm stealing which probably amounts to a felony. The ACLU says, " The Ferguson Police Department's actions appear misleading and remarkably cynical."

Misleading? Does the ACLU suggests that the police department has doctored the videotape? If not, the video is not misleading but perfectly accurate and the question becomes should the police department itself have broken the law, The Freedom of Information Act, by withholding the tape from the public?

in The ACLU thinks it should have because to release the tape was "cynical" because the officer who shot Brown was, according to the chief of police "unaware" of the store incident (although there is some indication that the chief of police later recanted) but does the ACLU also suggest that Michael Brown himself was unaware that he just committed theft? Hardly. Is it cynical to suppose that Michael Brown might have thought that the officer was approaching him concerning that theft?

Did that knowledge cause Brown to be belligerent, to be aggressive, to place the officer in reasonable apprehension of grave physical harm? Are those questions relevant? The ACLU says they are not, rather they are "cynical."

Cynical, because it is a "piecemeal" release of information when the police, for example, engaged in "The one-sided and piecemeal disclosure of potentially irrelevant and prejudicial information, while continuing to withhold the critical police incident report that the public has demanded, suggests a desire to confuse rather than to shine a light on what happened."

Just as the ACLU declined to consider that knowledge by Michael Brown of the store incident revealing himself to be a physically intimidating thug who had immediately before committed a strong-arm robbery might be relevant, the ACLU now seems oblivious to the fact that knowledge of the contents of the police report could alert witnesses to shape their stories. It is simply good police procedure to withhold facts such as the number of bullets expended etc. so as to test the veracity of witnesses.

Finally, even assuming the worst motives of the police department and releasing the tape why is it prejudicial of a criminal case? The potential defendant, the police officer, is certainly not prejudiced. So whom is damaged?

Other reports say that the damage occurs because it incites the African-American "community" because it portrays Michael Brown in a demeaning light which is a euphemistic description for a brutal thug and a thief. Presumably, so enraged by the cynicism of releasing this video, the African Americans in Ferguson will proceed to commit more violence, looting, and vandalism.

If this were a rational community and a tape were released which puts the lie to the central narrative of the innocence of the alleged victim, one would naturally assume that the motivation to riot and pillage would be mitigated. But precisely the opposite assumption is drawn about the African-American "community" of Ferguson, Missouri.

The significance of that thought is something to ponder.


30 posted on 08/18/2014 7:31:13 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: BykrBayb
Exactly.

The other aspect of this is: "Hey, the officer was unaware of the robbery when he stopped Brown."

Guess what? Brown didn't know the officer was unaware of the robbery.

Brown probably thought the officer already knew about the robbery, and that he was about to go to jail for robbery.

Brown's behavior was likely spurred by his own guilty mind.

If he hadn't done anything wrong, he would likely have taken the stop much less seriously and been less inclined to grapple with the officer.

31 posted on 08/18/2014 7:33:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Citizen Zed

LOL, what the Hell is this crap!?


32 posted on 08/18/2014 7:39:25 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: nathanbedford
The significance of that thought is something to ponder.

It is as simple as studying the nature of tribalism. After that, one isn't tempted to look for Western philosophical concepts.

33 posted on 08/18/2014 7:41:40 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: fella
Surely their are some greedy lawyers out there who know where the real money is.

There is... but most of them are ACLU lawyers!

34 posted on 08/18/2014 7:50:45 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Citizen Zed
Report that I heard this morning said that the autopsy revealed that the cop put six in his chest.

Not his back, as otherwise stated by "impartial" witnesses.

I've been swinging back and forth on this one. Between the news this morning, and watching the Right Rev. Mr Brown strongarm a store clerk .....I'm back to siding with the cops.

A feral punk is off the street. End of story.

35 posted on 08/18/2014 7:53:52 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Citizen Zed

He thinks he won the lottery and looking for his check.


36 posted on 08/18/2014 8:17:13 AM PDT by Bailee
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37 posted on 08/18/2014 8:25:05 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Citizen Zed

Just heard on NPR radio that Holer, Valarie and Sharpton are the organizers of the protest/riots in Ferguson while Obama parties down on Martha. Government sponsored Crime!!!!


38 posted on 08/18/2014 8:52:58 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Stentor

“It is as simple as studying the nature of tribalism.”

Social media and news media tribalize us with the news we want to hear.


39 posted on 08/18/2014 9:04:42 AM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: BykrBayb

And Citizen Zed, admitting he had “roughed up” a clerk, managed to omit Brown had stolen an almost $50 box of cigars. Astoundingly,it was not the clerk who called it in to police (too afraid to reprisals to turn him in), it was another customer in the store.


40 posted on 08/18/2014 9:14:37 AM PDT by kiltie65
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