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Low Income Preppers, Should they get a SNAP/EBT Card? ~ Vanity
GraceG

Posted on 08/18/2014 11:34:16 AM PDT by GraceG

Okay, So I know of a few people who are shall we say very Lower middle class who used to be Mid-Middle class until recently due to the wonderful economy as of late.

I know they are wanting to prep, but are unable to make ends meet and I have been rotating out my own personal prepping stock to just keep them fed day to day. (don't worry I am not giving them expired food, just food that is nearing expiration).

The question recently arose about if they should get an EBT card and use it to buy their own reserve, stuff like canned food and easily storable food like oats, rice, etc...

They hate the idea of getting on EBT/SNAP, but the question is if things are going to go haywire anyways is it a bad thing to do this?

Or should they go to private food pantries to slowly stock up on having a stash in case SHTF....

I have offered to help with their preps but they are too prideful to take my prepping food for prepping purposes. The only way I could actually give them food for day to day living has been to use the excuse that the food that I have that is nearing expiration and they are doing me a favor by taking it...


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Personally I am unsure on how to approach this....

I hate to try to convince them to use an EBT or SNAP to buy canned food in case SHTF, but on the other hand, I am really starting to get apathetic about it all...

What is Ethical vs. What is Practical..? And at what point do either options apply?

Also if I find myself out of work and end up eating through my Prepping stocks, what do I do then if I still want to stay prepared in case of the SHTF event?

1 posted on 08/18/2014 11:34:16 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

What say you preppers?

As for me its a case by case, without all information its impossible for me to give a blanket answer.


2 posted on 08/18/2014 11:40:23 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

A matter of conscience, I suppose...

If you think it’s OK to get a part of what you’ve paid in back, because it’s all gonna crash anyway, go for it.

If you have strong convictions about never being on any form of the dole, then eschew it.


3 posted on 08/18/2014 11:43:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kartographer

That Kart, I thought you might chime in....

Granted a low income prepper using an SNAP/EBT card for prepping type food would actually be a better use of the card that probably 90% of the people currently using SNAP/EBT cards....

What would be funny would be if they fallged someone for using a SNAP/EBT card because they bought bags of rice and cans of pork and beans....

You know because it made the other SNAPers look bad...


4 posted on 08/18/2014 11:43:21 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Kartographer

Yes. If your environment included berry bushes you would pick the berries to feed your family. If your environment include free government cheese, give the free government cheese to your family. I would much rather see EBT benefits going to someone who wonders whether they should take it than to someone who is certain that they are entitled to it.


5 posted on 08/18/2014 11:46:15 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: GraceG

40% of our country is on food stamps. If they need it then they should use it. The system is there for temporary help, IMO.

What they do with the food once they get it is up to them. If they store it then they will eventually eat it.

The people I have an issue with are those who buy lobster with food stamps or spend their personal money on luxuries and plan to live their life on food stamps and other welfare programs.


6 posted on 08/18/2014 11:46:57 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GraceG

i to think about this exact very thing for myself and family quite often as i’m also right in that lower spectrum of middle class i guess you could say. i mean don’t get me wrong, we live ok and we also take care of my disabled mother for the last 11 years( disabled by my own brother) (but that’s for another story another thread) but we never have any “extra” if you can call it that to prep for shtf situation that i know will happen eventually : /

Mike


7 posted on 08/18/2014 11:48:46 AM PDT by MikeinMotley
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To: GraceG

btw Grace, you sound like a very nice, caring person!

Mike


8 posted on 08/18/2014 11:50:03 AM PDT by MikeinMotley
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To: GraceG

If the person is of the mind set to buy bags of rice and beans and other staples vs the normal purchase of the entitled EBT crowd of steaks, shrimp and TV dinners, then I say they most likely fairly need the assitance and I have no problem.


9 posted on 08/18/2014 11:51:54 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: GraceG
Both you and your friends are in the same boat.
If they're hungry now, they need to eat - now! They can't afford to store canned food regardless of who pays for it - you or food stamps.
Same goes for you if you lose your job. You can't go hungry while saving food for a "catastrophe" that may or may not ever happen.
Sorry, but reality bites.
10 posted on 08/18/2014 11:52:16 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: driftdiver

[ The people I have an issue with are those who buy lobster with food stamps or spend their personal money on luxuries and plan to live their life on food stamps and other welfare programs. ]

Same here, and those people will be the first to violently attack the prepping people in suburban areas when their EBT/SNAP card stops working...

They are the Welfare Hordes/ Obama Zombies...


11 posted on 08/18/2014 11:52:38 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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12 posted on 08/18/2014 11:53:22 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: GraceG

I’m not a Prepper in any serious sense but this seems foolish. A dark invitation to the government to get their boot on your neck. Once your addicted it’s hard to break. (Unless forced of course due to some wide-ranging catastrophe.)


13 posted on 08/18/2014 11:57:16 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Kartographer
As for me its a case by case, without all information its impossible for me to give a blanket answer.

I agree.

It is a personal choice and circumstances vary.

In general, I have no problem with a safety net for the truly needy and deserving.

Our problem is that the safety net has been perverted by the government into just another wealth redistribution program.

There is a world of difference between someone with a legitimate disability and an able bodied whore sitting on her butt spitting out fatherless babies sired by anonymous sperm donors.

The same applies to able bodied people who are temporarily down on their luck as compared to those who game the system as a way of life.

If we eliminated all of the non-deserving moochers on the public dole we could take first class care of the truly needy and spend much less.


14 posted on 08/18/2014 11:58:53 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Why Obama's sons are like sperm: Only one in a million work.)
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To: thorvaldr

+1.


15 posted on 08/18/2014 12:00:44 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Iron Munro

I talked to my pastor about this not that long ago when it came up on FR I posted that as Christians we are to be kind and helpful to the poor, but rebuke and avoid the slothful. He agreed with me so much that he ended up doing a sermon on just that the difference between the poor and the slothful.


16 posted on 08/18/2014 12:04:00 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: MikeinMotley

[ btw Grace, you sound like a very nice, caring person!

Mike ]

I don’t let my friends go hungry. I shouldn’t feel guilty about using my freinds as a “dumping ground for soon to expire food” but I do... But it is the the only way they will take the food anyways... so there is that...


17 posted on 08/18/2014 12:04:09 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Kartographer

Just for giggles, I got on the Lone Star card website, and my wife and I qualify for the assistance card. BUT, there is no way I am applying for the card.


18 posted on 08/18/2014 12:04:28 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Guns are like parachutes. If you need one and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again.)
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To: thorvaldr

Well said.

Government assistance is like road-kill. If it’s fresh, grab it.

“Self love is not so vile a sin as self-loathing.” Henry V, Shakespeare.


19 posted on 08/18/2014 12:04:56 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: GraceG

Absolutely.

If hey are eligible, and they have kids. If they have exhausted all other sources, it is important to eat well.

I know there is a stigma, and that is good. But as long as they don’t abuse it, why the heck not.


20 posted on 08/18/2014 12:05:29 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: GraceG
I know I'd feel better knowing that there's at least a possibility of all this tax money paid going to some decent folks. Just as easily flipped around to the selfish slant of "if they buy their own prep food, mebbe they won't need to come after mine".
I'm not seeing a downside outside of a l'il bruised ego either way.

Hruumph, .gov buying preps with some of the FSA's "entitlements". What decently "cautious" person couldn't see the seething irony/humor in this? If only o'bummer could know somehow. His head would implode. Hehehe. d;^)

21 posted on 08/18/2014 12:06:09 PM PDT by CopperTop
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To: GraceG

If my state agency (WA DSHS) finds out that SNAP proceeds are being used to purchase food for storage (not immediately consumed) they will reduce or suspend the benefits. I don’t know if this policy derives from state or federal law. But if this is the plan best to not make it known (as with almost any prepping).


22 posted on 08/18/2014 12:07:02 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Arrowhead1952

How about this - apply for the card and ONLY use the benies for your prepper stockpile... :)


23 posted on 08/18/2014 12:07:11 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: GraceG

I’d rather see my tax dollars go to someone being responsible and preparing rather than the usual crowd stocking up on chips and garbage. Yeah, let them have a SNAP card and help them prep.


24 posted on 08/18/2014 12:07:44 PM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: GraceG

I’d say wring every last dime you can from this worthless government. You’ve paid for all these programs these many long years. It’s high time you got something out of them besides the joy of enabling another generation of parasites.


25 posted on 08/18/2014 12:09:04 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: GraceG

The way I look at it, if you’ve have worked and paid into the system for decades and now are having hard times, you are not the problem. Get what you can now, because what you’ve been promised probably won’t be there later. It’s the people who have never worked and suck out of the system their whole lives that are the problem.


26 posted on 08/18/2014 12:09:45 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: thorvaldr

But not if it’s nacho cheese.


27 posted on 08/18/2014 12:11:20 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: IronJack

[ I’d say wring every last dime you can from this worthless government. You’ve paid for all these programs these many long years. It’s high time you got something out of them besides the joy of enabling another generation of parasites. ]

At some point I see myself comming to this same feeling/conclustion, I am not there yet, but inching closer...

At some point I can see one last Harumph of people just needing to SWARM the EBT system before it all collapses and all hell breaks loose...


28 posted on 08/18/2014 12:13:55 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: Kartographer
I talked to my pastor about this not that long ago when it came up on FR I posted that as Christians we are to be kind and helpful to the poor, but rebuke and avoid the slothful. He agreed with me so much that he ended up doing a sermon on just that the difference between the poor and the slothful.

Excellent.


29 posted on 08/18/2014 12:16:17 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Why Obama's sons are like sperm: Only one in a million work.)
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To: steve86

[ If my state agency (WA DSHS) finds out that SNAP proceeds are being used to purchase food for storage (not immediately consumed) they will reduce or suspend the benefits. I don’t know if this policy derives from state or federal law. But if this is the plan best to not make it known (as with almost any prepping). ]

if that is the case could they shift day to day food expenses to EBT/SNAP and pay cash for prep foods?


30 posted on 08/18/2014 12:17:01 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: GraceG

I’d start worrying about being on EBT (I’m not)when the banks stop worrying about bailouts, or the crony capitalists or farmers stop worrying about subsidies.


31 posted on 08/18/2014 12:17:33 PM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: GraceG

First of all, thank you for being there for these folks. Second, the EBT/SNAP program is there for a reason. I don’t have an issue with the hand UP that these folks could likely qualify for. The fact that they were middle class tells me they have likely paid an awful lot into the system over the years, of course they should be allowed the assistance in this, their time of need. And, like many on this post, I agree that I would MUCH rather see the benefits going to help someone get prepared.


32 posted on 08/18/2014 12:18:09 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: Kartographer

Had a pastor opine from the pulpit that there are no poor in America: world median income is $2/day; hard to live in USA and _not_ make significantly more than that. If you’re earning more than half the people on the planet, you’re not poor.


33 posted on 08/18/2014 12:20:29 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: GraceG

They paid into it. The Feds literally owe them. Unlike the situation with lifelong welfare recipients who have never worked a day in their lives (unless walking to the welfare office is considered working).


34 posted on 08/18/2014 12:22:57 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: GraceG
I shouldn’t feel guilty about using my freinds as a “dumping ground for soon to expire food” but I do...

Stop it. If it is not appreciated, use it yourself. I just had part of a can of expired July 2013 Spam for lunch. I await my demise. I won't even talk about how old some of my home canned meat is. I'll have "experts predicting my death.

35 posted on 08/18/2014 12:24:09 PM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: MikeinMotley

When I was a kid - about 10 or 11, my dad walked out on my mom leaving her with five kids - one a baby. She was forced to go on welfare/food stamps. It was humiliating for her, but she had no choice. She made the most of those food stamps, buying canned goods on sale and stocking up, marked down meats, bread at the bread outlets, etc. She never bought goodies, instead baking us cookies, cupcakes, etc. We did not eat grand, but we had basics. She could make a heckuva good meal with cheap ingredients, and we did not starve. She got off welfare as soon as she could, when she got a full-time job at the local university in the maintenance dept. By then I and my twin sisters were old enough to babysit. That was back in the 60’s, so 13 and 14 was old enough to take care of younger siblings. NONE of us five kids are on welfare. We knew mom did what she had to do. Meanwhile, I get my frugal ways having watched her. I think the prepper thing comes from that experience.

Bottom line, if you need the foods stamps, and use them wisely, then go for it. They can tide you over until your circumstances improve.


36 posted on 08/18/2014 12:25:29 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: GraceG

So long as you’re “getting” less than you “put in” (accounting for other services you are legitimately paying for like road infrastructure, police, legitimate “safety net” for others, etc), I’ve no problem with taking fair advantage of those services you’ve funded. It’s just a different form of taking all the deductions you can when filing taxes, something which _nobody_ should fault you for.

This year, I’m enjoying my free electric car. No qualms about the tax credit, given how much taxes I’ve paid.

Point is: don’t abuse the system, use it fairly as you honestly see fit/moral/responsible. Don’t get greedy, don’t misuse it. Government has legitimate purpose, use it legitimately.

Do beware the hooks it could get into you. Don’t become reliant on it, don’t let it master you, be ready to bail fast.

Prepping is a way of life. It’s not just stocking away separate “what if” supplies, it’s _living_on_ those supplies so that when SHTF you don’t have to change your ways (and yes, unemployment is a personal SHTF event). When the “Y2K bug” debacle was looming, I described the potential for SHTF in as thorough detail as possible; he listened carefully, understood the issue, shrugged, and said “so I’ll throw another log on the fire and go back to my book” - all SHTF should really do is make resupply & travel more inconvenient, if you’re properly prepped.

EBT/whatever is just another way to retrieve money taken from you. Absolutely, apply it to filling the pantry in a sensible prepper way.


37 posted on 08/18/2014 12:31:19 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: sneakers

Your story tugged at my heart. Your dear mom sounds like (she is/was) a wise and loving mom. Her/your family’s appreciation of food stamps and whatever you had (income, food, clothing and, most importantly, family) is exactly how the system SHOULD work. Thanks for posting that.


38 posted on 08/18/2014 12:32:51 PM PDT by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Jane Long; sneakers
Your story tugged at my heart. Your dear mom sounds like (she is/was) a wise and loving mom. Her/your family’s appreciation of food stamps and whatever you had (income, food, clothing and, most importantly, family) is exactly how the system SHOULD work. Thanks for posting that.

Exactly. The program has since morphed into "anything goes" with a debit card washing away the stigma. The FSA runs amok with it.

39 posted on 08/18/2014 12:37:12 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: MrB
ONLY use the benies for your prepper stockpile... :)

Hadn't thought about that. Thanks for the suggestion.

40 posted on 08/18/2014 12:52:39 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Guns are like parachutes. If you need one and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again.)
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To: GraceG

There is no one on this board that I know of that begrudges anyone participating in these programs. If you need it, use it. Heck we’re all paying for it.

As others have noted, the rub is when people game the system to avoid work or enable a slothful lifestyle.


41 posted on 08/18/2014 12:58:06 PM PDT by Obadiah (None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: GraceG

The government is giving them the money for food so they can eat.

They ought to buy just a little extra each month with it if they go for it. If they buy a little extra at a time, then it won’t raise any red flags.

Aside from rice and beans, they could do canned soups as well.


42 posted on 08/18/2014 1:09:52 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: sneakers

touching, that is the way it is “suppose” to work! thank you for that reply.

Mike


43 posted on 08/18/2014 1:12:56 PM PDT by MikeinMotley
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To: Stentor

I just had part of a can of expired July 2013 Spam for lunch. I await my demise.

LOL did u fry it? i like it best that way but either will work for me!

Mike


44 posted on 08/18/2014 1:14:56 PM PDT by MikeinMotley
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To: GraceG

Ethically, the first step is to go through an ethical analysis of any decision. So you’ve started with that.

Deontologically, I like to proceed with the Kantian Categorical Imperative. One should do only that which one would will to be a universal moral law. I would suggest that everyone should reserve a portion as savings, assuming that the source is ethically garnered. I see no ethical problem in receiving food assistance when in true need, and so holding back a portion thereof as savings seems moral and even categorically imperative.

Teleologically, we’re dealing with the ethics of scarcity and survival. Since it is not immoral to receive charity when in true need, saving a portion of that charity (if possible) seems reasonable. It harms nobody, and can actually help the common weal by helping the prepper to become more self-sufficient.

Practically, food assistance is really fairly limited and available only for those with rather low household incomes. Saving even that little portion as preparation for future emergencies may be difficult in practical terms.

The determining factor in each individual case involves the conscience of the needy person or family in assessing what “true need” means for them.


45 posted on 08/18/2014 1:27:38 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all smart little girls to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Kartographer

In my case, I have not applied for any assistance because, I have been unemployed for quite a while, but I had the foresight to have savings to live on. According to what I’ve researched, if I have 2-3 months worth of savings to pay for a place to live, etc., I am not eligible for food assistance until I am destitute. I don’t really understand that. It seems they would rather have me eligible for assistance for every program. I know why so I will not apply.


46 posted on 08/18/2014 1:36:46 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: GraceG
If they qualify, I say go for it.

There is no shame in accepting help, when the government has allowed our jobs to be offshored.

When the people wise up and change our leaders and they raise the import tariffs, and bring industries back to the US, and jobs are plentiful again, then I would say get a better job. But right now, do what you have to to survive.

47 posted on 08/18/2014 1:41:37 PM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: GraceG
If they qualify, I say go for it.

There is no shame in accepting help, when the government has allowed our jobs to be offshored.

When the people wise up and change our leaders and they raise the import tariffs, and bring industries back to the US, and jobs are plentiful again, then I would say get a better job. But right now, do what you have to to survive.

48 posted on 08/18/2014 1:41:37 PM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: GraceG

If they qualify for EBT, then they probably qualify for Medicaid. Be careful...your state will want the Medicaid money paid back from your estate, after your pass. Talk to a lawyer.

http://www.factcheck.org/2014/01/medicaid-estate-recovery-program/


49 posted on 08/18/2014 1:48:23 PM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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To: GraceG

If they need the food, SHTF or whatever, and they qualify for it, I strongly encourage them to use it. I am sure they have helped others from time to time, and that they will continue to do so.


50 posted on 08/18/2014 2:07:19 PM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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