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Editorial: We appeal to the court: End gag order in Waco bikers case
The Dallas Morning News ^ | September 1, 2015

Posted on 09/16/2015 12:37:23 PM PDT by don-o

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To: don-o
"Among the information that authorities refuse to release are the results of ballistics test that would identify whose bullets struck the dead and injured. "

What is known:

Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, Allen, one gunshot wound in the head and one in the back. Head: Medium Caliber NOT .223; Back Medium Caliber NOT .223

Matthew Mark Smith, 27, Keller, one gunshot wound in the back and one in the abdomen.

Back: Medium Caliber NOT .223; Abdamen: Not Determined

Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, New Braunfels, one gunshot wound to the head and one in the back. Head: Medium Caliber NOT .223; Trunk: Undertermined

Richard Matthew Jordan II, 31, Pasadena, one gunshot wound to the head. Head: Medium Caliber NOT .223

Richard Vincent Kirschner Jr., 47, Wylie, one gunshot wound to the top of the head, one to the left knee and one in the buttocks. Knee: Medium Caliber NOT .223; Buttocks: Small Caliber .223 or .22

Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, Fort Worth, one gunshot wound to the head. Trunk: Small Caliber .223 or .22

Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, Waco, shot two times in the head. Head: Medium Caliber NOT .223; Abdomen: Medium Caliber NOT .223; Head: Undetermined

Charles Wayne Russell, 46, Tyler, shot once in the chest. Chest: Small Caliber .223 or .22

Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, Ranger, shot once in the neck and once in the abdomen.Neck: Undertermined; Abdomen: Undetermined

Spaz. Arm: Not Available ... yet!

21 posted on 09/16/2015 4:48:34 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: clee1

“Something smells really rotten in Texas..... “

Of course it smells worse now. They made the gangsters take a shower in jail and that helped but they have been released for weeks now.


22 posted on 09/16/2015 4:50:12 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Finny

“And 117 individuals with formerly clean records”

Not that falsehood .... again ...


23 posted on 09/16/2015 4:50:47 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Finny

“Dead men tell no tales — nine who might have given insight into intentions in either direction, never will now. “

That still leaves 177 ...

And some have spoken about how the bikers shot and killed bikers.


24 posted on 09/16/2015 4:51:49 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
Your rebuttal on this point is tiresome and pathetic. You don't have to give an exact number, but how many do have clean records? How many have records, anywhere, or anything more than a traffic infraction?

What you are asking readers to infer is that the 117 are otherwise criminals, but you haven't produced evidence that even one of them is.

25 posted on 09/16/2015 4:55:43 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: clee1

26 posted on 09/16/2015 5:02:01 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Cboldt

“Your rebuttal on this point is tiresome and pathetic. “

Finny’s made up post is tiresome and pathetic.

“What you are asking readers to infer is that the 117 are otherwise criminals, but you haven’t produced evidence that even one of them is.”

No. I am just expecting Finny to not make up something and claim it is fact.

Why don’t you ask Finny to prove that ALL of them have clean records ....

duh ....


27 posted on 09/16/2015 5:04:59 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
The source he cites is known. The weakness in investigation is known. Of course there is some uncertainty in the total number who are "squeaky clean," but your rebuttal implies more than mere uncertainty about the total number. You're the dishonest one in that argument.

Finny didn't make up anything - that's another fabrication by you.

But you go right on ahead and keep being an idiot.

28 posted on 09/16/2015 5:08:39 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Thank you! :^)


29 posted on 09/16/2015 5:18:09 PM PDT by Finny (Be ready to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is imaginary.)
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To: Cboldt

Lol

If he did not make it up there would be a source ..


30 posted on 09/16/2015 10:07:55 PM PDT by TexasGator
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There is a source, you idiot. AP. What you quibble with is that the source didn't do a thorough background investigation on all of the arrested, so, you imply, the conclusion that some 100 or so of the accused have an otherwise clean criminal record is false. You also quibble that absence of criminal conviction does not mean "clean record." That's it, those are your only arguments.

Your reasoning stinks, but to be expected because you are an idiot. You are the one who lacks a source for the contention that any of the people given a cursory background check by AP have a criminal record, yet you claim AP's implication (that over a hundred have clean criminal records) is false.

If you weren't an idiot, you'd state the premise in terms that suit you. But no, you just say "that's false," and claim "I win."

Idiot.

31 posted on 09/17/2015 2:39:32 AM PDT by Cboldt
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“There is a source, you idiot. AP.”

Duh, it does NOT say that they all had clean records.

“If you weren’t an idiot, you’d state the premise in terms that suit you. “

If you and Finny were truthful, you wouldn’t post misrepresenting the AP report.


32 posted on 09/17/2015 8:28:25 AM PDT by TexasGator
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-- Duh, it does NOT say that they all had clean records. --

No shit, Sherlock. But it isn't much of a stretch between no conviction, and no record.

-- If you and Finny were truthful, you wouldn't post misrepresenting the AP report. --

Your posts are substantially more dishonest hackery than what Finny said. You rely on technical truth to promote misleading impressions. You are dishonest in every way, as far as I can tell.

Anyway, I have other things to do, and will revert to pretending you don't exist. Idiot.

33 posted on 09/17/2015 8:48:43 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

“You rely on technical truth “

If it is not the ‘technical truth’ it is not technically true.


34 posted on 09/17/2015 9:04:21 AM PDT by TexasGator
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“But it isn’t much of a stretch between no conviction, and no record.”

-————Urban Dictionary———————
stretch the truth

Exaggerate.To say something which is not completely honest in order to make someone or something seem better or worse than it really is:


35 posted on 09/17/2015 9:10:28 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Cboldt; TexasGator; All
Thanks, Cboldt.

Anyone reading who is curious ... everything in my posts is confirmable by independent effort. Gator can deny it all he/she wants, but any reader who wants to know only has to sink an hour or three of due diligence into it to find out who is telling the truth as far as facts found in published reliable reports, and who is misrepresenting it or outright lying.

Facts that can be confirmed with some digging into, and careful perusal of, published news reports:

-- Only one of the 177 arrested was an out-of-state resident; all the rest were residents of Texas.

-- Most of those arrested and held on million-dollar bail, 117 (I think that was the number, it may be off by one or two but I doubt it), had clean records -- lacking any prior arrests, let alone convictions, in the state of Texas.

-- Of the ones who did have arrest records, maybe two dozen had convictions for serious crimes as assault, robbery, etc.; the remainder were crimes such as unlawful possession of a firearm, or DUI or pot, three offenses that have ZILCH to do with robbery, human trafficking, assault or murder.

-- At least four marked police cars were parked in clear view of anyone entering the Twin Peaks parking lot from one of two entrances, according to police themselves; the numbers are fuzzy, as one police report claimed SIX marked cars were visible to bikers driving in.

All begging the questions - -- Does gator and the rest of the conspiracy theorists really believe that all these wily, clever Texan "gang" bikers only committed crimes OUTSIDE of Texas except for this one afternoon at Twin Peaks?? Really? Or does Gator and the rest of the conspiracy theorists think Texas cops are so incredibly inept and amateurish that they can only catch a third of violent criminals in the act of doing violent deeds in Texas right under Texas cops's noses?

36 posted on 09/17/2015 9:10:34 AM PDT by Finny (Be ready to own what you vote for. Voting "against" is imaginary.)
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