Posted on 01/03/2016 5:58:53 PM PST by Up Yours Marxists
Your ignorance is showing. You obviously have no clue where Apple operating systems originated from and which exploits have been there since the 80’s.
And you continue to excuse the company you obviously work for to spam sites like this. Numbers don’t lie. More bugs. More security issues. Lower stock value. Stale bread products.
Tell your Apple coworkers you and they’ll soon be unemployed. Once that time comes, perhaps we’ll get some rest here from your incessant Apple pimping.
“if someone sends you an infected file and you pass it along to your other non Apple friends that’s OK with you?”
It’s not my responsibility to screen every file for every potential vulnerability possible on every system that might eventually receive it.
It IS my responsibility to run a system that inherently doesn’t swallow everything that comes its way.
“There’s not much value to a security appliance or software that doesn’t warn you proactively when something’s wrong. “
That couldn’t be more wrong a statement. There are literally 100’s of products out there that are proactive and scan networks and computers for vulnerabilities.
And when your company gets put onto a blacklist and nobody receives your mail because you keep sending virus-laden emails from your pristine Mac, then what, genius?
Most OS X Macs do not run antivirus software, which years ago was an acceptable risk, but is no longer.
Personally I run ClamAV. According to Wikipedia:
"The ClamAV virus database is updated at least every four hours and as of 25 December 2014 contained over 3,700,000 virus signatures with the daily update Virus DB number at 19837."I consider that acceptable protection for my home systems given that my Macs are behind two consumer-grade firewalls and are doubly-NATed. My Windows and Linux boxes are similarly protected by the hardware FWs. My Windows boxes run MSE, which is lightweight but sufficient for the work I do on them.
> Only military-grade systems on isolated networks are secure enough to not require a security scanning and feedback mechanism.
I disagree. Any so-called "isolated" network can still be attacked numerous ways, and require protection against those threats, including security scanning and feedback.
As a System Admin for a high-security network, trust me on this, I encounter these sorts of things daily.
> That couldn't be more wrong a statement. There are literally 100's of products out there that are proactive and scan networks and computers for vulnerabilities.
Wait, what? Of course there are. That's what -I- was saying.
My comment was about the ones that don't, of which there are also many.
“We had to hire expensive administrators to tighten up Unix security back in the 80’s”
That was 30+ years ago, dude.
Try to keep up.
“would you be so kind as to use virus protection so that other users on other operating systems don’t get virus you might unintentionally spread through Unix?”
Translation: “would you be so kind as to waste your time checking for stuff that attacks known vulnerabilities on my system so I don’t have to, stuff which your system is immune to, all so I don’t have to practice safe computing and can keep using a fundamentally promiscuous OS?”
What, no outbound email scanning? Tsk, tsk, what kind of company is that?
If they let unprotected computers send email that isn't scanned on outbound transport, they DESERVE to be blacklisted.
Companies can be small enough to have their own domain with 2 or 3 users and absolutely no antivirus or spam. It’s called “el-cheapo email”.
That was especially true about 15 years ago. I’m sure it’s no different now, considering the elite Mac users feel they don’t have to protect themselves or anyone else they communicate with because they somehow think their computers are filled with magic fairy dust.
> Translation: "would you be so kind as to waste your time checking for stuff that attacks known vulnerabilities on my system so I don't have to, stuff which your system is immune to, all so I don't have to practice safe computing and can keep using a fundamentally promiscuous OS?"
I have to side with Up Yours on this one.
I maintain a corporate Linux mailserver system that checks for -all- malware, Windows, Mac, Linux, agnostic. Because I can't afford to let my company's reputation suffer, or cause my employer to get sued for damages, because some lazy customer or client of ours received malware from my mailserver and it attacked their systems. Period.
It's not a question of "wasting time". It's a question of responsibility.
If people didn’t keep using operating systems with widely known & exploited vulnerabilities there wouldn’t be a problem.
You’re running a mail server.
I’m running a desktop that should be spending it’s time compiling my apps, not wasting limited resources searching for ills the rest of the world insists on being vulnerable to.
Magic fairy dust? Dude, chill. I gotta ask you -- are you that consumed by anti-Apple/Mac-user feelings that you ignore the fact that the percentage of Linux computer that run without anti-malware protection is EVEN HIGHER than that for Macs?
Linux and Unix mail servers are ubiquitous. How many of them run anti-malware software both inbound and outbound, or are protected by something like a Barracuda?
Why keep pounding only on your anti-Apple drum? It makes you look foolish and hateful. At least be consistent and go after the Linux/Unix folks with equal vigor, instead of only the occasional "oh and Unix too" mention (I did see one upthread).
I understand and sympathize with your frustration, really I do. I have Mac users too, and they make me nuts at times, too.
But EVERYBODY needs to be aware, vigilant, and run protection. Windows, Mac, Linux/Unix, EVERYBODY.
I'd even include that new "smart" coffeemaker you got for Christmas, BTW.
So, no email? Nice gig.
Does your desktop actually post outbound mail to internet mailservers directly? I.E. does it have its own Postfix or Exim or similar mailserver software that connects with port 25 on other mailservers on the internet? Or does it -- as I suspect -- merely have a mail client that sends outbound mail via an SMTP connection on another machine, that is, on an actual mail server?
I'm hoping you'll tell me you use an SMTP service at your ISP, or Google/Yahoo/Apple, or on your corporate network, or something like that.
But if your desktop is your mailserver, I'd say you are foolish because you're talking directly to other internet mailservers with your compiling machine, which is asking for trouble.
Which?
Look here, I don’t care what operating system you use, unless that system jeopardizes my security. The fact is I have been attacked by every Apple groupie on this site for stating an obvious fact that they are foolish in believing they are protected, and that the products don’t walk on water.
I don’t like Apple because they are anti-Christian, faggot-loving, and arrogant in their product offerings. They incite elitism with their mentality and they continue to spread it amongst their buyer base. Yes, I don’t like them and haven’t for some time. I didn’t like Jobs. He was a complete ass and refused to be a good, philanthropic billionaire and would treat his employees like absolute dirt. Cook is an absolute dirt-bag. And quite frankly I’m sick and tired of hearing how great this mediocre company is and would love to see them fall from their tree branch right on their fat cultish butts.
Hopefully some of the investors on here will do the right think and assess their options before they get cleaned out by a falling star.
I’m making it my mission to let people here know the truth about Apple, and I quite frankly don’t give a damn who I offend. I’m too old to care what you or anyone else thinks about my views. I’m going to call a spade a spade, reveal the blatant lies, and uncover the truths about how unguided Apple as a corporation truly is.
Up Yours seems to think EVERY computer should be screening EVERYTHING for EVERY potential malware on EVERY platform.
Yes, IT guys should be checking for it at sensible choke points.
No, end users shouldn’t be trying to eradicate the world of malware when they’re running suitably secured systems but other people insist on using long-promiscuous OSes.
Thank you for that clarification. It's certainly your right to do so; have at.
I wish you a pleasant rest of the evening, and a Happy New Year.
Thank you. Happy New Year!
So in your honor, as the holder of the “Most Technically Ignorant and Overall Foolish Tech Thread of 2016” Award, I will in a moment ping the Windows List so that they can come and commiserate over the fall of Windows as Vulnerability Leader.
Bravo, dayglored. Well done.
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