7-year-old tells bus driver her parents won’t wake up, police find them dead of drug overdose

I happen to agree with you. This “war on drugs” has caused a confrontational mentality. Before some dumbass politician labeled it, we saw fewer shootouts between cops and the drug traffickers they were trying to arrest. once the “war” word was added, criminals and drug smugglers simply armed themselves for a war.

I do think those selling hard drugs, especially in large quantities should be jailed, but small time users have a problem that won’t be solved by jail time.

I don’t have a good answer, but I’m convinced jail time is not it. The prohibition scenario was proven to be a bad idea with alcohol, but making it legal again has proven just as bad, how many people are killed every year in traffic accidents by drunks? How many homes broken up and marriages gone down the tubes because someone is an alcoholic?

Neither scenario has worked well, and I don’t know what will. But what I do know, is politicians haven’t done anything but throw money at it. Keeping most drugs illegal helps keep prisons full, and that’s another money making business.

I don’t know the answer, but so far both ways, prohibition and legalization have shown to have their own inherent problems.

Yes prayers for the sister and the kids, who has been fighting with social services for the kids.

You poor folks.

The money spent to purchase the product, no matter what the product, is what keeps the product coming.

Here we live in a capitalist society. I’m fairly sure you folks state that you prefer it, and you don’t even know how it works.

I guess we have the government to blame for food, tires, clothes, computers, paint, legal medications...

Who knew? I had always thought it was the manufacturers.

Evidently you folks think Obama was right. “You didn’t build that.” Ahhhh no, people did, because someone would spend their money on it.

The people who buy things always drive production.

What rock would that be?

That would be the rock that adult pot-heads hang out under. Whether you are one of them or not, you certainly buy into their line of reasoning. And it's a line of reasoning with dead ends. You evidently haven't been challenged on it sifficiently to know it, so here we are.

I’ve never been a fan of the idiotic drug war or criminalization. It doesn’t work.

Do laws against child pornography work? Ah no. Okay then, why not legalize it? Right? It's the same damned logic. Nobody brought this to your attention before?

And its extremely liberal to boot.

Why of course! And fascist too. I'm amazed you didn't fit that in there somehow. As this discussion progresses, people generally do. Too much exposure to product evidently.

Is it also extremely liberal to outlaw child prostitution? What about selling dynamite to the public in hardware stores? What about selling hand grenades to the public? What about selling plastic explosives to the public? How about selling drugs to minor children? If we deny these "rights", are we extremely liberal? Evidently so, because the same rules apply. The government determind these things to be harmful to the public interest.

I don’t post much on the topic for the same reason I don’t post much on government schools: folks who call themselves conservatives just don’t like it when I point out that liberals love welfare, and government schools are just a form of welfare that isn’t means tested. People who call themselves conservative don’t seem to like it when you point out that by sending their kids to government schools, they’re acting as welfare queens.

I can see why you get push-back on this line of logic. I know you're trying to support our dislike for the public schools, but the best argument against them is what they have become, not an analogy with welfare.

At some point along the way, child education has to paid for. So whether parents pay for it at the local level, or the community chips in at the local level, child education has to be paid for. Does society as a whole have a vested interest in our kids being educated? Yes. Should everyone join in collectively to get kids from K-12th grade? It's debatable. I think there are good arguments on either side. As a 65 year old adult male, I have no problem with part of my taxes going to pay for K-12th grade education. And yes, I still pay income taxes and sales taxes.

Welfare is for individual families. It was intended to give folks a hand up. It has long since turned into a hand-out. It has no benefit to society. It only benefits the family it goes to. With education society as a whole receives benefit. Future workers are trained to function in society. They will have the knowledge skills that will support the tax base. Those same people will be paying taxes in part to educate generations to come. We all have a vested interest in this.

If our schools were doing the job they should be, situations we have today would not be taking place. Children would understand our history, why certain things took place. And grasp that our government with it's flaws is still a government worth supporting as long as it lives withing it's limits. Our government is not acting within it's limits today, but the loudest main protests against it are being levied by folks who don't have the tools to grasp they are attacking it on a flawed basis. BLM has no grounds to protest. They are completely ignorant of our history, their history. They think the police are out to get them. They have no idea they are being used by George Soros and other Leftists. They have no idea they are simply being used to bring about societal collapse. And if that societal collapse takes place, those very people will be on the business end of corrective measures. The replacement of our system will be extreme. The BLM folks would be the first to go under it.

Welfare? No. Social engineering (education) centers, need to be abolished, on the merits of that social engineering. What is taking place today is plain and simple child abuse. It's a betrayal of trust. Those working in the education system today should be fired. We start again with new people. The previous ones should never be allowed in a position of authority around children again. The Education Department should be eliminated. Teaching materials should revert to the local level. American centric materials should be manditory. Never again should we allow schools to teach hatred for our nation. Teaching solid founding principles should be mandidory.
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Pretty much the same thing with drug prohibition. Illegalization and incarceration is just a very expensive form of welfare imposed on people who don’t want it.

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So we can feel all warm and fulfilled because we’re “doing something” about addiction.

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Now what we’re doing doesn’t work, probably exacerbates the problem, results in widespread official corruption, and costs a fortune, but by gosh we’ve “done something.”

LOL

Seems oddly reminiscent of all those welfare programs that were supposed to end poverty.

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Maybe we should rename the war on drugs “Aid to Families with Dependent Lawyers, Judges, and Prison Guards?”

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In any case, you’ll pardon me if I don’t wring my hands in liberal angst over that small portion of the population that is hell bent on poisoning itself. I don’t happen to like that they’re doing that, but I like it even less that I’m taxed to jail people to protect them from their own folly.

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Then I guess we should rethink all this. Is it also extremely liberal to outlaw child prostitution? What about selling dynamite to the public in hardware stores? What about selling handgrenades to the public? What about selling plastic explosives to the public? How about selling drugs to minor children? If we deny these "rights", are we extremely liberal? Evidently so, because the same rules apply. The government determind these things to be harmful to the public interest. Legalizing makes things better for us all.

The way to end illegal drugs comes through education. It should be part of the school curiculum. Those who don't get the message should deal with the legal system. Here's why.

Listen up! YOU WILL NEVER END THE ILLICIT DRUG TRADE. YOU WILL MERELY FOCUS IT 100% ON CHILDREN! Re-read that until you grasp it.

Once you have legalized drugs, there's only one illicit market left. Yep, that's right, children. Of course that's if you recognize the need to keep kids away from the legalized drugs in the first place. Maybe you don't care if they have access to them too.

Go ahead and legalize it for adults. You'll still have the same people in place manufacturing illicit drugs for their new exclusive focused market. What will you have fixed? NOTHING!

There! Fixed it? Ah no, not really.

Drug use needs to be stigmatized to the point that it's use is socially unacceptable at all levels.

Those that continue to use can be rounded up and placed in a stockade where they can rot in peace. Society won't have to deal with them and the byproducts of their adiction(s).

Drugs are used by people with very little self-control. Their decision making processes are all screwed up. Providing them with legal drugs will only exacerbate their deficient thinking. They will damage people within their sphere of contact. All you'll be doing by legalizing medication for them, is causing them to move on to other taboos. They couldn't follow the laws concerning drugs, so why would they follow the laws about incest, rape, or other types of taboos?

As it is, people have trouble getting all the drugs they want. Once they are legal, that problem will go away. People will live in a constant deminished state, preying on innocent victims in their path.

Generally you can spot a drug addict today. You have fair warning. With the system the "legalization group" has in mind, these people appear more sociable. They have more discretionary money. So then you have them blending in more, and that is not a good thing.

A rattle-snake with no rattle is not a more safe rattle-snake.