Posted on 11/14/2016 5:05:56 AM PST by Nextrush
IMHO Trump was the lesser evil, but I personally disdain the personality cult of Trump common amongst many here. Much of what he proposes is unconstitutional, and his vulgar attitude to sexual assault is a disgusting flaw. The die hard Trumpest cult followers are the mirror image of the leftards wailing and rioting over their demi goddess Hillary losing the election.
Glad you are feeling better Hillary.
To the contrary, this is what conservative hand-wringing looks like. Hitchens is a conservative; I am not - and neither are you. There are no conservatives, essentially, in America.There used to be an accurate word to define your politics and mine, but it died almost a century ago. The socialists killed it.
At the start of the Twentieth Century the term "liberal" meant the same in America as it still does in the rest of the world - essentially, what is called "conservatism" in American Newspeak. Of course we "American Conservatives" are not the ones who oppose development and liberty, so in that sense we are not conservative at all. We actually are liberals.
But in America, "liberalism" was given its American Newspeak - essentially inverted - meaning in the 1920s (source: Safire's New Political Dictionary). The fact that the American socialists have acquired a word to exploit is bad enough; the real disaster is that we do not now have a word which truly descriptive of our own political perspective. We only have the smear words which the socialists have assigned to us.
And make no mistake, in America "conservative" is inherently a negative connotation - we know that just as surely as we know that every American marketer loves to boldly proclaim that whatever product he is flogging is NEW!
We will agree to disagree. Trump is the vehicle of a national grassroots movement that is an outgrowth of the Tea Party. It is the globalists versus the nationalists. It is the people against the political and corporate elites. Trump won on the basis of his policies, not on his charisma. It is demeaning of his supporters to suggest otherwise.
Much of what he proposes is unconstitutional,
Please be more specific.
Who doesn’t want a return to traditional politicians who were patriotic, decent and not in hoc to the likes of Soros, the big banks and Saudi Islamofascists? It is only because the political system has become so dysfunctional in recent years the a radical like Trump has emerged to fill the vacuum left by corrupt mainstream politicians that work for the establishment instead of ordinary people. Hitchens is mostly right, except he seems rather too ambiguous about the point about Hillary being the greater evil.
This is exactly what I mean. Unless you are fully on board the Trump Train, you are with Hillary?
His support for torturing suspects? Killing the family members of suspected terrorists? What would the founding fathers have thought of that? Luckily the Constitution will stop him implementing of his whacked ideas.
These crumbs are begging for a National Front Party.
That's just stupid.
Oh pleased
No, those idiots are fascists who can’t get over losing an election fair and square. Being sceptical of ‘The Donald” doesn’t mean you have to adopt fascism in turn. I’m just getting tired of politicians having personality cults built around them, whether left or right. Any self respecting citizen should be sceptical and suspicious of anyone who seeks power over others by running for high office.
I was appalled when Trump announced for the Republican nomination. And I thought that he was brutally unfair with his “lyin’ Ted” meme. I contributed to Cruz’ primary campaign - but just when I had put up my maximum contribution, Cruz - already on the ropes - committed an egregious unforced error which made me regret it. I refer to his statement about the abuse of people who wanted to see Trump, and the forced cancellation of Trump’s rally byThe die hard Trumpest cult followers are the mirror image of the leftards wailing and rioting over their demi goddess Hillary losing the election.protestersrioters.Cruz made a good statement condemning the rioters, but in the next breath he criticized Trump. But while Trump deserved criticism in my eyes, Cruz missed a golden chance to be silent at that moment. Anything negative he said about Trump at that moment could not but be exculpatory of the rioters. Thus, an unwarranted, unfair attack on the people who supported Trump.
That is an exaggeration, the same mistake that Hitchens makes in his article. Ted Cruz didn’t intentionally make that mistake in the statement I referred to - but in fact he did make that very mistake.It is scarcely an exaggeration to state that nobody who supported Trump is of anything like the same character as the rioters.
A very great percentage of the criticism of Trump is unfair and exaggerated; this is what happens if you run for POTUS as a Republican. As to that “grope” audiotape, it was wrenched totally out of context by journalism (and the Democrats, to repeat myself). It is not Trump’s doing that the general public was subjected to it, after all. Proof That Donald Trump Does Not Assault Women (must listen)
Trump is not a radical nor is his agenda. You use such loaded words without providing any specifics. Stop using emotional arguments and talk about policy issues.
His comments about supporting torture in violation of the 8th amendment? Or to be punished without trial as per clauses in the 4th 5th and 6th amendments?
It depends on how you define torture. Is waterboarding torture? Trump has not said he would exceed the law.
Killing family members? Yes, if it means that they prevent us from taking out the bad guys. It is called collateral damage. Trump is specifically referring to ROE and how they are currently restricting our ability to take out ISIS and endangering our own people. We took out plenty of family members in the fire bombings of Tokyo and Dresden. In the meantime, ISIS is committing mass murder and horrible atrocities.
Is this your only "unconstitutional" objections to Trump's agenda?
I’m not saying those who support Trump are as bad as the rioters (everyone a right to express their opinion, but not riot) but again, why are we supposed to overlook all of Trump’s flaws? I admit this kind of neo-fascist, anti-liberty numbskullery is more of an issue with the Hillary supporters, but I disagree with the people who worship Trump instead. To be fair, you don’t sound like one of them, but we should all be aware that Trump is a deeply flawed candidate in his own right, albeit nowhere near the same extent as the abominable Hillary Clinton, but that is a pretty low bar to strive for. I dislike Trump’s comments about being OK with torturing terrorist suspects or killing their families out of revenge. I’m not on board with that kind of stuff, though fortunately, the Constitution will stop him engaging with those kinds of fantasies.
We are fighting non-state actor terrorists. They have limited protection under international law. They are called unlawful combatants.
Trump has never said they should be punished without a trial. He wants them tried sooner rather than later in military courts.
OK Hillary. Nap Time.
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