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Is The Inflationary Universe A Scientific Theory? Not Anymore
Forbes ^ | September 28, 2017 | Sabine Hossenfelder

Posted on 09/29/2017 5:45:11 AM PDT by C19fan

We are made from stretched quantum fluctuations. At least that’s cosmologists’ currently most popular explanation. According to their theory, the history of our existence began billions of years ago with a – now absent – field that propelled the universe into a phase of rapid expansion called “inflation.” When inflation ended, the field decayed and its energy was converted into radiation and particles which are still around today.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: creation; universe
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Calling Sheldon. What is interesting one can replace "Inflation" with "String Theory" and the article would still make sense as String Theory has all the same issues, for example, infinite number of possible outcomes, as Inflation. Supposedly based on observation in Antarctica there was some observational proof of inflation but from what I understand those results have been destroyed as cosmic dust was a more plausible explanation for the results.
1 posted on 09/29/2017 5:45:11 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

If the whole Universe is inflationary, then I’d better spend my money before it loses all its value.


2 posted on 09/29/2017 5:48:36 AM PDT by I want the USA back (*slam is a political movement that hides behind the illusion of religion.)
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To: C19fan

So, their latest theory is being used to either ‘prove’ or ‘ disprove’ another theory!


3 posted on 09/29/2017 6:07:19 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (If we're going to look at nature to justify our actions, then I say let's start flinging poop around)
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To: C19fan

Trump’s fault!.......................


4 posted on 09/29/2017 6:22:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (Road Rage lasts 5 minutes. Road Rash lasts 5 months!.....................)
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We are made from stretched quantum fluctuations.

Fascinating to me is the fact that, in 5 different passages, the Bible actually describes the universe as having been "stretched forth" by God. Not that "quantum fluctuations" mean much more to me than "disgronification"; but "stretched" sure has meaning.

5 posted on 09/29/2017 6:32:41 AM PDT by Migraine ((A smartass who is right can be downright funny. A smartass who is wrong is just a smartass.))
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To: C19fan

Seems religious to me.


6 posted on 09/29/2017 7:35:36 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: C19fan

I think the article - on purpose or not - points to a problem that is exponentially larger, as it spans all fields of science and not merely the field the author is writing about.

She points to it when she says:

“It is a practice that, to say it bluntly, has become commonplace because it results in papers, not because it advances science.”

Even “peer reviewed” has lost the meaning of “merit” it once had.


7 posted on 09/29/2017 8:00:35 AM PDT by Wuli
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As a teenager, I bought Hubble’s book. I don’t know that I really appreciated it at the time, but I did understand red shift and blue shift of light. Steady State and Big Bang were contending theories at the time.

As I learn more, I know less. Maybe the universe is only 10,000 years old.

While no one has filled in all the details of the past, too many are certain they know the “science” of the matter. We’ve lost the ability to recognize the difference between mere speculation and relatively secure knowledge.


8 posted on 09/29/2017 8:11:44 AM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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To: Wuli

Science originated within Christian countries and centuries. This could be coincidental, or Christianity may provide a good basis for science. I realize that today anyone can do science - Christian, atheist, Jew, etc.

A relatively new kid on the block is Marxism. Marxism holds that there is a morality greater than telling the truth - advancing the cause. This belief provides a good foundation for junk science, to the extent that junk science advances the cause.

Marxism provides a handy label. Marx and Engels were successful in advancing their views. However some of their views preceded them. They were both “ahead of” and “within” their time. The same applies to Darwin.

Generally, the 19th century was a time when many intellectuals wanted to reject God and Christian morality (not necessarily in that order). Dostoevsky said, “Without God all things are permitted.” This certainly includes advancing scientific theories, not on their merits, but due to their presumed effects.


9 posted on 09/29/2017 8:34:38 AM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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“We are made from stretched quantum fluctuations.”

spaghettification?


10 posted on 09/29/2017 8:43:37 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: C19fan

And then a miracle happened.


11 posted on 09/29/2017 9:04:31 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Goblins, Orcs and the Undead: Metaphors for the godless left.)
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So Big Bang and Inflationary theory has been blown out of proportion?

12 posted on 09/29/2017 9:13:19 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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Many people cite the Judeo-Christian God as the beginning of science. The belief in a single God managing the world He created in a rational way with consistent and constant laws encouraged scientific investigation.

On the other hand, the pagan belief in multiple, erratic Gods messing with the natural world in unpredictable ways discouraged people from trying to figure out how it all worked.

Now scientists are trying to tell us that it is all random after all. Yes in our world there are laws, but they are just one set of laws out a huge number of possibilities.

This possibility is beginning to discourage some scientists. Instead of searching for the ultimate set of laws, scientists now believe they are just discovering the one set of laws out of 10^500 that happen to work in our little neck of the woods.

13 posted on 09/29/2017 10:00:59 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

That, plus a gluon or two of Taffydazium


14 posted on 09/29/2017 10:52:43 AM PDT by Migraine ((A smartass who is right can be downright funny. A smartass who is wrong is just a smartass.))
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As I learn more, I know less.

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I just watched a YouTube video that states the more we learn, the more we find out what we don’t know.

https://youtu.be/JTvcpdfGUtQ?t=8m48s

Agnotology is the study of ignorance.


15 posted on 09/29/2017 1:41:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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That was fun.

There is another approach that identifies specific things we can not know. Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle said that we could not know both the location of an electron and its momentum. That’s the first “can’t know” principle that I read about. I saw a list of similar principles, but I don’t remember them.


16 posted on 09/30/2017 5:36:33 AM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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To: BitWielder1

Alright, now that’s funny.


17 posted on 09/30/2017 5:42:17 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ChessExpert

I was reading recently about Einstein. He was a strict determinist and didn’t believe in free will at all. In fact, he doubted whether God had free will, and said his greatest goal was to find out if God had any choice in the way he made the Universe.

Most of the founders of quantum mechanics like Einstein and Schroedinger rejected it. They thought it was a stop gap until the true theory was found.

Though I don’t agree with Einstein’s philosophy, it served him well for most of his career.


18 posted on 09/30/2017 6:58:49 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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Your post, and your mention of free will is interesting.

It seems to me that a sensible person would tend to accept body and mind. Some philosophers have asked if we might be body only, or mind only. I don’t think either position can be disproved. Still, a sensible person would reject those positions.

The process of scientific inquiry has generally focused on the natural, the physical. Atheists have latched onto this generally successful endeavor, and falsely claimed it as their exclusive domain.

I think few atheists understand the implications of consistent main-line atheism. It means a rejection of the unseen: free will, making a decision, right and wrong, self-awareness, mind, beauty in music, art or nature, kindness, love. Main-line atheism may “explain” these things, as in explaining a mirage. Fundamentally, it denies they exist or are true.

Main-line atheism is philosophy, not science. It can not be disproven, or proven. At the end of the day, a sensible person must reject it. We simply have too much experience, data if you will, that the unseen elements (listed above) are real


19 posted on 09/30/2017 7:53:55 AM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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It seems to me that a sensible person would tend to accept body and mind. Some philosophers have asked if we might be body only, or mind only. I don’t think either position can be disproved. Still, a sensible person would reject those positions.

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That reminds me of how scientists argued for centuries about whether light is a particle or wave. Now we know it’s both, as is matter.

The key to atheists rejecting theism is to come up with a definition of God that is easy to reject. And I think that theists are mostly responsible for giving them the definitions.

The history of philosophy is a mess with all its different “isms” mainly because an “ism’s” proponents position themselves to reject all the other “isms.” They should take a cue from science and the reality of wave-particle duality.


20 posted on 09/30/2017 4:44:39 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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