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The dawn of a fascist China and what it means for us
iPolitics ^ | October 12, 2017 | Jonathan Manthorpe

Posted on 10/22/2017 12:49:00 AM PDT by RohanKapoor

Xi Jinping is poised to become the most potent Chinese leader since Mao Zedong — and to guide his country’s continued emergence as a fascist global superpower for at least the next decade.

The 19th Congress of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is scheduled to start on October 18, when it will appoint leaders and establish the country’s course for the next five years.

Xi undoubtedly will be re-appointed head of the CCP, followed by re-selection as China’s president and head of state early next year.

But he appears also to have overturned the collegial, limited term system of leadership established after the social ravages and tens of millions of deaths caused by Mao’s maniacal leadership.

The system of circumscribed leadership was reinforced after the nationwide uprising against the CCP in 1989; under that system, Xi would only get another five years at the helm, followed by retirement.

But since his appointment to the leadership as a compromise candidate with no obvious personal ambitions in 2012, Xi has worked assiduously to destroy rivals and potential enemies. He has also overseen the construction of a highly sophisticated authoritarian state unmatched by anything in China’s history.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 1989; 2012; 201710; ccp; china; communistparty; guowengui; prc; termlimits; xi; xijinping
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1 posted on 10/22/2017 12:49:00 AM PDT by RohanKapoor
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To: RohanKapoor

Xi is winning domesticslly, but on a losing streak outside China’s borders.


2 posted on 10/22/2017 1:11:34 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: RohanKapoor

As if there’s a difference between fascism and communism.


3 posted on 10/22/2017 1:12:55 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder

And yet hitler hated communism.

From what i’ve seen in our country and others among the movements is that fascism is an Extreme, intolerant view of who belongs in your country..religion, race, sexual proclivities, political views. etc.

Communism is an extreme hatred of your own country.

Just my worthless two cents :)


4 posted on 10/22/2017 1:17:28 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: RohanKapoor

What? Socialism leads to fascism?

Why didn’t anybody tell me?


5 posted on 10/22/2017 1:20:19 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: dp0622
And yet hitler hated communism.

Not so sure he hated communisim. I think he hated Russia.

I guess he coulda hated communism too.

6 posted on 10/22/2017 1:30:30 AM PDT by bagster (Social Culture Warrior (SCW))
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To: nickcarraway

Committee leadership of a country always becomes one man rule. That is a hard rule of political life.


7 posted on 10/22/2017 1:38:56 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: dp0622

Criminal gangs hate and kill each other even though they are engaged in the same business with the same methods. It is a matter of competition. Lenin wasn’t worried so much about Party purity as he was about who was to rule whom.


8 posted on 10/22/2017 1:40:45 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: dp0622
The Nazis didn't hate communism so much as they hated Russians, for one reason or another. But they did actually share a lot of commonalities. Until Hitler's surprise attack on the Soviets, they were allies.

The differences between communism and fascism can certainly be pointed out, but so can the differences between two pigs. In practice, both are systems where a person's rights depends upon their rank in government. But if you're not part of the ruling class, you're expendable.
9 posted on 10/22/2017 1:45:38 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder

...but so can the differences between two pigs.


I’m going to remember this line.


10 posted on 10/22/2017 1:48:23 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: dp0622

Authoritarianism moves from anarchy to libertarianism to conservatism to liberalism to socialism to fascism to communism. That’s the natural progression once you decide government intervention is a good thing.

It may also indicate an unstable China, financially speaking.


11 posted on 10/22/2017 2:08:29 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: RohanKapoor

The article is about Canada and how XI’s regime will continue to effect it.

Interesting points:
“China’s movement from a one-party state masquerading as a meritocracy to a one-man dictatorship presents a major problem ...”

“The CCP aggressively asserts what it sees as its right to interfere in the domestic affairs of other countries on matters its considers to be in its own national interest.”

About Xi rise to power: “About 750,000 CCP and government officials were demoted, warned off, humiliated or expelled in the first three years of the purge - and 35,600 were prosecuted and imprisoned ... Seventeen members of the Central Committee have been arrested and imprisoned.”

“Hand-in-hand with Xi’s attempts to erase challenges from within the CCP has gone a massive increase in repression and social control of Chinese society at large. Ideological and indoctrination campaigns have been launched on a scale not seen since the days of Mao ...”


12 posted on 10/22/2017 2:55:09 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: RohanKapoor

Calling what China does “fascist” is downright stupid.

It is so overwhelmingly wrong, out of context, and alien that it just boggles the mind.


13 posted on 10/22/2017 3:03:14 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Hitlers Mein Kampf, translated into Arabic, is "My Jihad")
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To: Telepathic Intruder
As if there’s a difference between fascism and communism.

There is. The communists murder everyone who knows how to make the trains run on time (or, in humane periods, send them to the Gulag). This is done in the name of class warfare and, as a practical matter, as a way of clearing positions so that party apparatchiks can have well-paid sinecures.

Fascists rely on cooptation. People who can make the trains run on time are kept in their positions provided that they accept broad political guidance, toe the party line publicly, and kick back enough cash to their political masters.

Fascism makes corrupt cronyism into its deliberate operating principle. This is more progressive than straight communism, which is based on murder.

14 posted on 10/22/2017 3:16:07 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: dp0622

Hitler started out as a socialist. Hitler recruited among the communists. I think Hitler hated the German communists because they wouldn’t allow him to be in charge.

The actual conflict between Hitler and Stalin, was over who got to be in charge.


15 posted on 10/22/2017 3:18:14 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: RohanKapoor

China is not on a path to freedom for its people.....in fact, it is heading the other direction.

It will get worse for China before it gets better.

That is what communism, socialism, fascism always deliver in the end.......horrors.


16 posted on 10/22/2017 3:59:27 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The largest and most dangerous hate-group in the US is now the Democratic Party)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Dear Tele,

re: “As if there’s a difference between fascism and communism.”

I point you to pre-WW2 Italy, which was the birthplace of fascism. It is a ‘shared’ throne of government and business, and there is still profit to be made by the populace.

‘Communism’ in it’s simplest description was Plymouth colony. No ‘body’ owns anything. The State owns it all, and you exist to serve the State, and if you cannot, then you_do_not! There are no ‘rights’, no snowflakes, no kneeling.


17 posted on 10/22/2017 4:32:12 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“As if there’s a difference between fascism and communism.”

I think the difference is that under communism the state owns and controls the means of production. So, you have the “People’s Tractor and Doll Factory.” In fascism individuals own the means of production but they don’t control the product. In a way it’s like crony capitalism in that, say, Krupp makes money off a Nazi gun contract, but you can bet a portion of that money is kicked back to the people who let the contract. This is so common in China that there is a thriving business in reselling bribe gifts; items like solid gold statues and expensive wines.

China was going the way of letting people own stuff, but then when the economy started to change they curtailed what the people who “owned” stuff could do with it. For example when a rich owner of some stock that was tanking wanted to sell it he was forbidden to do so on pain of imprisonment for anti-patriotism or some such crime.

China has been hemorrhaging money despite strict curbs on how much can be taken out of the country. Chinese investors have been dominating the real estate market in places like California and Canada.


18 posted on 10/22/2017 4:35:35 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Telepathic Intruder; dp0622
As if there’s a difference between fascism and communism... And yet hitler hated communism

I am old enough to have encountered many adults who grew up under National Socialism and came to America after 1945. A bit later in life, I lived among many Russians who grew up in the USSR and came to America, both before and after 1991.

As a generalization, I would say that MOST (non-Jewish) Germans were very happy with their lives prior to late 1943 and spoke fondly (at least after a few beers) about their former system of government and especially economics.

OTOH, I have never met a former Soviet citizen who expressed a shred of sympathy or admiration for Soviet government or Soviet economics.

This is, I think, at the root of why our modern-day communists, in both parties and the media, are so paranoid about "fascism".

The threat to an eventual communist revolution and a Soviet America is not liberal democracy and globalism. Our post-1945 leadership class has been fighting Leftism for 70 years, and has been losing, or collaborating, for almost all that time. There is an excellent argument that soviet communism under a revolutionary vanguard is the end state of "democracy".

The Left fears "fascism" because, historically, it has competed successfully for the hearts of the people. And this is why any electoral politician or political movement which opposes the American Left becomes "fascist" in their eyes.

19 posted on 10/22/2017 4:49:42 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like)
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To: bagster

Hitler did not hate communism, he hated Marxism because he hated Russians. The NAZI Party was National Socialists plain and simple. Socialism or it’s other name communism, is the same side of the same coin just minted in a different alloy. Both are always used as the first emotional step to totalitarianism.


20 posted on 10/22/2017 5:07:25 AM PDT by mazda77
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