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My Proposal for Systems of Legal Recreational Drugs
11/06/2017 | Brian Griffin

Posted on 11/06/2017 9:11:50 AM PST by Brian Griffin

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To: caligatrux

“Do I, as a taxpayer, have to pay for the various medical conditions and treatments with which habitual drug-users routinely deal?”

As I wrote:
The habitual user licenses would only be available to those with paid-up recreational drug medical (ER treatment and methadone taper) and burial/cremation expense coverage provided by DEA-licensed entities.


41 posted on 11/06/2017 10:38:13 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

This sounds like an idea 3 potsmokers came up with after melting an ice bong.


42 posted on 11/06/2017 10:38:22 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being stupid!)
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To: i_robot73

“I find no authority for the DEA nor FDA, let alone the ‘war on XYZ’.”

It’s the Article I, Section 8 commerce clause.


43 posted on 11/06/2017 10:45:06 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Responsibility2nd

“you are suggesting some 20-30 new laws, rules, regulations and proposals to do just that?”

I’ve tried my best to have things work fairly well in a fairly simple matter.

It’s up to others to try to do better.


44 posted on 11/06/2017 10:51:50 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: DesertRhino

“launder and invest the billions of cartel dollars”

It’s very easy to overpay for a mansion around Miami or in many other places.


45 posted on 11/06/2017 10:57:24 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: DesertRhino

“banks who handle the cartel cash”

With 1% annual CD rates cartel cash might never see the inside of a bank.


46 posted on 11/06/2017 10:59:47 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin
The Federal government has already taken over many of the rackets introduced by organized crime: Fed.gov taxes tobacco products, alcoholic beverages making it a "partner" of those who engage in the manufacture and distribution of such products.

The gov. runs most state lotteries also known as the old "numbers racket" and engages in the "protection racket" with an agency known as the IRS.

Certain state governments also "regulate" as a partner, the growing and distribution of marijuana products. The only thing left for government to take over is prostitution - which it already has in Nevada.

47 posted on 11/06/2017 11:00:23 AM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto

“Fed.gov taxes tobacco products, alcoholic beverages”

Excise taxes are authorized by our original Constitution.

George Washington personally led the march to put down the Whisky Rebellion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion


48 posted on 11/06/2017 11:07:15 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: LouieFisk
That works if druggies would pay the bill for their choices. Unfortunately, it’s everyone else that gets stuck with the bill - family and taxpayers.

I will never understand this logic.... "Because of one stupid law...(society paying for drug addicts)...we need another stupid law." (locking people up for drug use)

49 posted on 11/06/2017 11:22:04 AM PST by nitzy
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To: Brian Griffin

Better idea. Give every druggie an overdose.


50 posted on 11/06/2017 11:22:45 AM PST by oldasrocks (rump)
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To: Brian Griffin
How many citizens are you willing to see die so losers can have the "right" to get high?

This nonsense directly impacts my quality of life and the quality of life of everyone in the nation. No country should allow negligent behavior that endangers the lives of innocent people.

And, who wants the government playing the role of drug kingpin? Who wants taxpayers paying for it?

There are good reasons why no nation has been stupid enough to legalize all recreational drugs.

51 posted on 11/06/2017 11:43:26 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Brian Griffin
Reagan's war on drugs dramatically reduced drug usage and, as a result, crime. It saved lives, not only of innocent people that would be victim of someone high on drugs but also of those addicted to drugs.

Reagan was right. Libertarians are merely liberals on issues like this.

52 posted on 11/06/2017 11:45:11 AM PST by Kazan
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To: Brian Griffin
Contraband law is a joke. Simply have severe penalties for DUI and the like, and have a robust system for rehabilitating addicts.

Incarcerating someone for merely possessing the wrong plant, liquid spirits, medicine, or chemical—in the total absence of infringing on others' rights—is the height of nanny-state Tyranny. Once such illegitimate law can be rationalized, there is no practical limit to government—Tyranny can be imposed by mobs or demagogues, whether on the Right or the Left, on an essentially arbitrary basis. And, of course, the ever-expanding police state necessary to enforce such laws must also come along with such thinking. No-knock warrants, searches without probable cause, asset forfeiture, destruction of the Fourth Amendment—all are to be expected once the Prohibitionist Mind gains ascendance in a society.

Nobody who claims to believe in limited government can legitimately support such law—for it has no practical check. Anything can be outlawed—justified on the basis of it being "for the People" or "for the Children".

This is why real law and actual crime must be based on the notion of there being an infringement on others' rights. Once that logical delineation is dispensed with, the "rule of law" becomes an absolute joke—simply a function of whatever the nearest mob or Tyrant says it is.

Anyone who supports contraband law, with all of its Tyrannical ramifications—Prohibition—fundamentally misunderstands the essence of Liberty.

An individual's "pursuit of happiness" isn't dependent on what someone else dictates—it comes from that individual's own heart, and as long as they're not committing crimes of force, fraud, or gross negligence and endangerment, every individual has the Unalienable Right to be left alone, and pursue his happiness as he or she sees fit.

Tyrannical shortcuts imposed by self-righteous nanny-staters lead to the "least common denominator" of Freedom—again, a concept that is antithetical to American Liberty.

I'll embrace actual Freedom—with all of its warts, challenges, inconveniences, and annoyances—over misguided and Tyrannical shortcuts every time.

53 posted on 11/06/2017 11:46:11 AM PST by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: Brian Griffin

Are you familiar with the Book of Genesis and the temptation in the garden?

Which role do you see yourself playing here?


54 posted on 11/06/2017 11:52:08 AM PST by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Brian Griffin
Recreational drugs were federally legal until 1909.

But they weren't the same problem in an age with a moral underpinning which ostracized such usage. The societal taboos make recreational drug use effectively illegal.

55 posted on 11/06/2017 12:10:00 PM PST by fwdude (Why is it that the only positive things to come out of LGBT organizations are their AIDS tests?)
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To: Kazan
Reagan's war on drugs dramatically reduced drug usage

From 1980 to 1985, cocaine use by high school seniors rose:


56 posted on 11/06/2017 12:58:10 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree
From 1980 to 1985, cocaine use by high school seniors rose:

Assuming your chart is even correct, how quickly did you expect to see an effect for a policy change? Did you think they happened instantaneously? Doesn't it take some time for a crack down to start effecting behavior?

Your chart shows a decline right after 1980. I can argue that without the crack down, the *NORMAL* and usual increase in drug addiction would have kept rising, just as it did in China.

I can argue that it was Reagan's policies that caused a reversal of an upward trend.

57 posted on 11/06/2017 2:43:14 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: NobleFree
Monthly drug usage declined almost 100% from 1979 to 1991:

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58 posted on 11/06/2017 4:03:46 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan
And then rose again, although the War on Drugs continued at ever higher funding and incarceration levels.
59 posted on 11/06/2017 5:28:47 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Brian Griffin; All

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It’s the Article I, Section 8 commerce clause.
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Right, right. EVERYTHING points to the commerce clause.

Gun ‘control’ *laws’ via the commerce clause
Growing ones own FOOD...the commerce clause

Where’s the ‘Princess Bride’ meme re: ‘Regulate’.

Need to add it right next to the “It’s not Fascism when WE do it”


60 posted on 11/07/2017 8:19:03 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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