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Pennsylvania Couple Arrested After Hibiscus Plants Mistaken For Cannabis
civilized ^ | Nov 17, 2017 | Neil Bonner

Posted on 11/19/2017 11:48:49 AM PST by JoeProBono

Take a look at the picture at the start of this article. The one on the left is good ol' cannabis, the plant we know and love. The one on the right is kenaf hibiscus, a plant which is not marijuana. Could you tell the difference?

Well, a Nationwide Insurance agent couldn't - or didn't want to. What followed was an arrest and a lawsuit.

On Oct. 5, the agent spotted the hibiscus plants while investigating a fallen tree on the property of Buffalo Township, PA couple Edward and Audrey Cramer. He then told police they had marijuana on their property, providing photos that allegedly didn't show the flowers that would have identified the plants as hibiscus.

Two days later, police came to the property. Audrey Cramer answered the door, and she alleges that about a dozen officers were pointing assault-style rifles at her. She was kept in handcuffs - without being permitted to finish dressing - and placed under arrest. When Edward arrived at the house a half-hour later, he too was arrested, and the couple were kept in the patrol car for two hours.

Now, the couple is filing a lawsuit against Nationwide Insurance, the agent himself, Buffalo Township, and three of the town's police officers. The lawsuit alleges excessive force, false arrest, false imprisonment, and intentional infliction of emotional distress, among other charges.

In a subsequent interview, Audrey Cramer said:

"I'm starting to understand why a lot of the public do not trust police officers...I really feel like I've been smacked in the face with this, and no, I don't think I'll ever trust a police officer again."


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Gardening
KEYWORDS: cannabis; donutwatch; hibiscus; leo; marijuana; nationwide; pennsylvania; police; searchhibiscus
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Edward Cramer Audrey Cramer Couple Handcuffed, Placed In Police Cruiser For Hours

Audrey was allegedly handcuffed, placed under arrest and put in the back of a police cruiser, and she says officers refused her requests to put on pants and shoes.

“I didn’t want too many people to know what had happened because I really don’t like being stood outside in my underwear,” Audrey said.


1 posted on 11/19/2017 11:48:49 AM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

Aw, c’mon. They’re obviously dope kingpins. Plain as the nose on your face. /s


2 posted on 11/19/2017 11:56:32 AM PST by beelzepug (The permanent political class that runs this country is...the great(est) danger we face)
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To: JoeProBono

I hope they win YUUUGE from every defendant.


3 posted on 11/19/2017 11:57:15 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Bryanw92

+1


4 posted on 11/19/2017 11:58:10 AM PST by rhubarbk ("Liberals are the stool in the community pool" . . . Hat Tip to rockinqsranch)
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To: JoeProBono

Those folks look really dangerous.
And a flight risk no doubt.


5 posted on 11/19/2017 11:59:13 AM PST by GnuThere
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To: JoeProBono

The ability to arrest should include an ability to do the job.


6 posted on 11/19/2017 12:03:15 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: Bryanw92

“I hope they win YUUUGE from every defendant.”

And the cops wonder why everyone has a hard on for them. Glad no dog was injured or killed. Sessions is goading this kind of crap on.


7 posted on 11/19/2017 12:03:33 PM PST by Bonemaker
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To: JoeProBono

Apparently Nationwide is NOT on your side.


8 posted on 11/19/2017 12:05:31 PM PST by beelzepug (The permanent political class that runs this country is...the great(est) danger we face)
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“Aw, c’mon. They’re obviously dope kingpins. Plain as the nose on your face. /s”

The Elder Cartel. Heck, they run ads in the monthly AARP mag for medicinal herb. There’s a good chance they’ve installed a network of pushers in the local old folks homes and skilled nursing facilities. They look like smart business people...probably even control the vending machines in those elderly facilities.


9 posted on 11/19/2017 12:07:05 PM PST by moovova
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>>Glad no dog was injured or killed.

Obviously they didn’t have one.


10 posted on 11/19/2017 12:10:01 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: JoeProBono

A cool 4 million bucks would work. 3 from Nationwide and 1 from the so called officers.

And there is also a federal case for violation of civil rights, unlawful search and seizure, hate crime.....man I would hate to be Nationwide. Their legal fees alone will be over a million.


11 posted on 11/19/2017 12:10:44 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama FAscism) http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: gunsequalfreedom


12 posted on 11/19/2017 12:17:20 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Hope they win the lawsuit big time


13 posted on 11/19/2017 12:22:03 PM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: beelzepug

I resent the fact that our “government” has the power (but not the right) to f*ck up peoples’ lives based on the plants growing in their yards. Government ALWAYS expands and usurps power that it doesn’t have the right to. It always turns fascist, if not stopped.


14 posted on 11/19/2017 12:27:48 PM PST by I want the USA back (ItÂ’s Ok To Be White. White Lives Matter. White Guilt is Socially Constructed)
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To: GnuThere

Yup! A regular Ma&Pa Barker!


15 posted on 11/19/2017 12:31:18 PM PST by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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I had no idea that habiscus looks like reefer!


16 posted on 11/19/2017 12:40:01 PM PST by Ueriah
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To: JoeProBono

I suppose they will be changing insurance companies soon.


17 posted on 11/19/2017 12:42:35 PM PST by dainbramaged (Get out of my country now)
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To: JoeProBono

Obviously they are too white to be even close to innocent. I say hang ‘em high!


18 posted on 11/19/2017 12:45:19 PM PST by redfreedom
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To: Bryanw92

Me too.

F the police. All of em.


19 posted on 11/19/2017 12:49:04 PM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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Free the Hibiscus 2!

what's that..? they've already been freed?

Ok, Sue The Pants Off the Po-Po People who Made the Hibiscus 2 Temporarily Not Free!

Seriesly. The stupidity of it deserves punishment.

What's next? Illegal vegetables? Growing rope fiber without a permit? (that last is against the law, and permits are not readily available).

Charlotte's Web...From Scientific American;


20 posted on 11/19/2017 12:50:28 PM PST by BlueDragon
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