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On this date in 1945

Posted on 02/11/2018 12:44:35 PM PST by Bull Snipe

The Yalta Conference wrapped up. American President Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Churchill and Soviet leader Stalin came to agreement on several important issues regarding the outcome of the War. The leaders agreed that the unconditional surrender of German would be the way the war ended. Germany and Berlin would be divided into four occupation zones after the war ended. There would be international trials of German war criminals. In addition the Soviets agreed to declare war on Japan within three months after the war in Europe ended. They would join the UN. The Soviets would also retain possession of that part of Poland they got in 1939.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: churchill; ethniccleansing; expostfactolaws; germany; poland; roosevelt; showtrials; stalin; ww2; yalta; yaltaconference
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1 posted on 02/11/2018 12:44:36 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Roosevelt - dead man (not) walking at that point. Two months to go. At least he had the decency to replace an overt communist with a democrat party hack as VP before he died.


2 posted on 02/11/2018 12:55:20 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Bull Snipe
"There would be international trials of German war criminals...The Soviets would also retain possession of that part of Poland they got in 1939."

The rich irony of Soviet judges solemnly condemning Germans for invading and occupying Poland.

3 posted on 02/11/2018 1:03:51 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: PAR35

There was nothing decent about that man. He was most likely forced to dump Wallace.


4 posted on 02/11/2018 1:04:23 PM PST by Vehmgericht ( stop)
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To: Bull Snipe

FDR sold out to Stalin.


5 posted on 02/11/2018 1:07:07 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: Bull Snipe

Old YAF song (Young Americans for Freedom), to teh tune of “America the Beautiful”:

O infamous for welfare state,
For fascist NRA,
You gave East Europe to the Reds
In Yalta one fine day.
O Roosevelt, oh Roosevelt,
God curse the likes of thee.
The bums you fed
Are glad you’re dead,
And so, by God, are we.


6 posted on 02/11/2018 1:10:00 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: PAR35

And the Communist ran against the hack (as a “Progressive”) in the subsequent election.


7 posted on 02/11/2018 1:11:19 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: Bull Snipe; PAR35; Wyrd bið ful aræd; Vehmgericht; TBP
All three of these leaders knew about the Manhattan Project, but Churchill and Roosevelt were colossal idiots who didn't know Stalin knew.

Soon-to-be U.S. President Harry Truman knew nothing about Nukes. He knew no more about what was going on with the war, than the general public.

Anna Roosevelt knew more than the VP.

8 posted on 02/11/2018 1:12:04 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: TBP
FDR sold out to Stalin.

In fairness to FDR, he only sold out to Stalin because Churchill tricked him into. Churchill screwed over the U.S. in a major way.

9 posted on 02/11/2018 1:13:08 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
"There would be international trials of German war criminals...The Soviets would also retain possession of that part of Poland they got in 1939."

Thus validating the Stalin-Hitler Pact (the only treaty in their 70+ year history that the Soviets didn't violate -- and that's only because Hitler violated it first.)

10 posted on 02/11/2018 1:13:15 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: nickcarraway

No, FDR was eager to do so. He preferred Stalin to Churchill.


11 posted on 02/11/2018 1:14:01 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: PAR35

Actually Roosevelt had next to nothing with the decision to run Truman as VP in place of Wallace. In those days, the party big wigs selected the VP candidate, not the President.
They wanted Wallace out, Truman seemed to be the best bet to replace him. Truman told them what they could do with the VP nomination in no uncertain terms. On the last day of the Democratic Convention, they got Truman into the proverbial smoked filled room and laid out the facts of life to him. The told him that who ever was the VP would be the President within a year. They knew what Roosevelt’s health condition really was (as big a secret as Overlord or Manhattan Project). They told Truman, if he didn’t accept the VP nomination it would go to Wallace. Truman hated Wallace and said that he would accept the VP nomination.


12 posted on 02/11/2018 1:15:29 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

Japan gave up because of the atomic bomb, right..?

They gave up because Stalin refused to mediate a surrender and instead entered the war against Japan.

The day of the Emperor’s radio broadcast was the day after Stalin attacked Japanese troops in Manchuria; Japan knew there would be no way communists would in peace permit the Emperor system to continue; the Imperial family would die, just as they had in Russia.

In all likelihood we’d today be dealing with a North Japan and South Japan, just as we see in Korea now.


13 posted on 02/11/2018 1:16:10 PM PST by gaijin
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To: PAR35

At least before he end of his life, Wallace, realized the error of his ways, and became a strident anti-communist, he was just very naïve at that time.


14 posted on 02/11/2018 1:16:24 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: gaijin
In all likelihood we’d today be dealing with a North Japan and South Japan, just as we see in Korea now.

Very true. But Tojo wanted to eliminate the Emperor himself, and keep the war going, and he almost pulled it off.

15 posted on 02/11/2018 1:19:05 PM PST by dfwgator
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Gaijin is 100% right. Japan gave up because the USSR entered the war. The USSR was obligated by the terms of the Allies agreement to enter the war by three months after VE Day. So they invaded Japanese territory just after midnight on the 9th. They sliced through the Japanese forces.

FDR should have never made an agreement to ally with Russia without them immediately declaring war on Japan. The War in the Pacific could have ended earlier.

16 posted on 02/11/2018 1:24:41 PM PST by nickcarraway
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No, you are projecting. FDR was totally fooled by Churchill since before the war started. Churchill conned FDR something good. Churchill got FDR to act in England’s interest, not in the U.S. interest.


17 posted on 02/11/2018 1:25:48 PM PST by nickcarraway
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Zhukov also kicked Japan’s ass in 1939, in a battle that was kept hush-hush at the time, so Japan knew what they were up against.


18 posted on 02/11/2018 1:28:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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And heres me thinking that Hirohito had said the Americans had used a ‘’terrible new weapon’’ for which they had no defense. So it was the Russkies who won WW2 in the Pacific?
19 posted on 02/11/2018 1:32:17 PM PST by jmacusa ("Made it Ma, top of the world!'')
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To: nickcarraway

I don’t think I’m projecting. Many historians have said the same thing. FDR liked Stalin better than Churchill. He did what he intended to do.

If he was conned, it was by his own delegation, which was CRAWLING with Communists.


20 posted on 02/11/2018 1:33:12 PM PST by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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