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Archaeology: Serpent Mound might depict a creation story
Columbus Post-Dispatch ^ | Sunday, Feb11,2018 | Brad Lepper

Posted on 02/15/2018 10:19:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv

A new interpretation of Serpent Mound, based on American Indian mythic stories portrayed in a remarkable series of pictographs from Picture Cave in Missouri, is offered by James Duncan, Carol Diaz-Granados, Tod Frolking and me in a paper published online last month in the Cambridge Archaeological Journal. We argue that images of serpents and other supernatural beings on the walls of Picture Cave help us make sense of those parts of Serpent Mound that weren't restored.

One group of pictographs shows a serpent facing a humanoid female with her legs spread apart next to a large oval that might be the symbolic “toothy mouth” of the Great Serpent — lord of the Beneath World. Duncan and Diaz-Granados think this panel illustrates part of a Dhegiha Siouan creation story: the moment when First Woman mated with the Great Serpent in order to acquire his life-giving powers, which she then used to create all life on Earth.

Duncan, Diaz-Granados, Frolking and I believe that Serpent Mound incorporates these same elements: the Great Serpent, his oval “toothy mouth,” and First Woman (the wishbone-shaped mound). If we’re right, this iconic monument represents that key moment in Dhegihan and possibly other tribes’ creation stories.

Another image of the Great Serpent at Picture Cave shows two blocky projections along the side of his head. Duncan, Diaz-Granados and their colleagues interpret these as earspools. Similar projections on the side of Serpent Mound’s head, which Putnam also chose not to restore, might therefore represent the earspools of the Great Serpent. This Picture Cave pictograph has been radiocarbon dated to A.D. 1000, which is very close to the date of A.D. 1030 obtained for Serpent Mound.

(Excerpt) Read more at dispatch.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: americanindians; bradlepper; creationstories; godsgravesglyphs; greatserpent; history; missouri; moundbuilders; ohio; picturecave; serpentmound; siouan
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Archaeology: Serpent Mound might depict a creation story

1 posted on 02/15/2018 10:19:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 02/15/2018 10:19:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

there are some (I believe a relatively small number) of Christians who read Genesis as implying that the first female mated with the snake (serpent in some translations), out of which event Cain was conceived (with Abel still conceived by the mating with Adam)

I’m not pushing this interpretation, I believe it to be in error. Its just interesting how it appears to parallel the account in this article...?


3 posted on 02/15/2018 10:34:44 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: SunkenCiv

If you are ever near the backwaters of Adams County, Ohio, Serpent Mound is well worth a side trip. Same for the Mound City park just north of Chillicothe.


4 posted on 02/15/2018 10:42:28 PM PST by buckalfa (I was so much older then, but I'm younger than that now.)
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To: faithhopecharity

I tend to believe in that theory. When I first read about it many things started to make sense. The apple story imo seemed too simplistic once I got past childhood.


5 posted on 02/15/2018 10:49:53 PM PST by kelly4c
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To: SunkenCiv

Nice parallels to Eve & the Serpent/Satan.


6 posted on 02/15/2018 10:51:39 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!�)
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To: kelly4c

well. ... first off, it wasn’t an apple. all we probably know is that it was a fruit...and there’s been some thinking it may have been a pomogranite
but anyway, it is NOT specified as an apple. that idea was grafted on later.
as were several other commonly-supposed elements of the story, like....the original sin doctrine, for starters.

but anyways, there’s been a very wide room for speculation, for differing theories..... its fascinating


7 posted on 02/15/2018 10:54:55 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: faithhopecharity

I wonder where the Christians would get that interpretation. Maybe it’s their way to account for evil in man. The snake can be symbolic of a penis and maybe that plays into their interpretation.


8 posted on 02/15/2018 11:07:53 PM PST by BEJ
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To: faithhopecharity

Malus, the Latin word for apple, and for evil. The pun was just too good to pass up...


9 posted on 02/16/2018 12:06:57 AM PST by null and void (What do the democrats stand for? Not lower food stamp dependence...)
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To: BEJ

Yes it is indeed true that most Christian churches teach the original sin doctrine , while that is not specified in the Genesis Eden account itself ( to which it is usually attributed). Thus, those churches teach that man is born sinful and, further, is helpless to improve his behavior to reduce evil in the world. It is also correct that received Judaism does not teach the original sin doctrine ( preferring to account for evil as a consequence of bad decisions people make with their free will, decisions we can learn to improve, free will means we can “choose life” - we can do good — this avoiding or at least reducing evil in fhe world). So, there is a major difference - indeed I trace all the doctrinal differences to this one difference of opinion in the nature of man. —- ( a longer essay, smile smile). We should, for completeness, note that the original sin doctrine was not invented by Augustine as is oft claimed. It traces back at least to 4 Ezra, a first century Jewish book, and Paul can also be read to contain at least seeds of the o s view. ————————— Most Jews probably wouldn’t want to take credit or rather blame for the o sin doctrine, at least in how it has come to be developed in Christian theology (!) as a condemnation of man ( including babies said to be born condemned to “Hell,” another Christian doctrine not generally found in received Judaism). and how the o s doctrine appears to relieve man from any responsibility for his behavior since he supposedly can’t improve it anyway ———effective neutering of all human moral responsibility —————but the original seeds of the received Christian original sin doctrine, like almost everything in Christianity, derived from Jewish sources. (( thus, there was logic for the church to keep such writings as 4 Ezra while Judaism discarded them as theologically erroneous or misleading).


10 posted on 02/16/2018 12:28:47 AM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: null and void
You may have scored a bingo! I knew Malus means bad or evil in Latin. But I didn’t remember it also meant apple in Latin. This could be how the eden tree fruit got designated to become an Apple. Not an iPhone tho. Just an Apple. 🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🍎🤡
11 posted on 02/16/2018 12:35:03 AM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: faithhopecharity

Thank you.


12 posted on 02/16/2018 12:56:44 AM PST by null and void (What do the democrats stand for? Not lower food stamp dependence...)
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To: SunkenCiv

Or it is a prehistoric Sex Ed and VD prevention Class.


13 posted on 02/16/2018 1:12:13 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Most if not all native american tribes have the flood story.

Southwest tribes (and probably more) have some version of the “white painted lady”, who, when mankind was being threatened by a great serpent, gave birth to a son who crushed the head of the serpent with a rock.

Both those seem to be echoes of what is in Genesis, passed down orally through many generations (and implying a common human descent).


14 posted on 02/16/2018 3:19:36 AM PST by CondorFlight
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To: null and void

Different word - think bow (front of a ship), bow (tied ribbon), and bow (bend from the waist).


15 posted on 02/16/2018 5:16:01 AM PST by stormer
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m very familiar with the mound and visit there frequently and drive by weekly. I’m afraid that the researchers might be imposing a western theological interpretation upon an analysis.

We get all kinds of wingnuts visiting the mound...solstices, drummings, spirit callings, covens, you name it.

No reason to think educated people also aren’t prone to hyperventilation, too.


16 posted on 02/16/2018 5:59:32 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: buckalfa

Been there, done that

Meanwhile...... to the west, Cahokia beckons


17 posted on 02/16/2018 6:29:29 AM PST by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: wastoute
It was the insiration for Zero's official portrait with the semen on the face.

18 posted on 02/16/2018 6:29:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: stormer

You do what a pun is, right?


19 posted on 02/16/2018 6:32:26 AM PST by null and void (What do the democrats stand for? Not lower food stamp dependence...)
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To: xzins

? The article is about an interpretation via Dhegiha Siouan myth.


20 posted on 02/16/2018 6:32:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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