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Robert E. Lee On Leadership
C-SPAN ^ | July 14, 1999 | H.W. Crocker

Posted on 04/29/2019 10:09:48 AM PDT by Pelham

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To: Bull Snipe
your point?

That there is no significant difference between the American war for Independence and the Confederate war for Independence.

Other than one tyrant was more willing to shed blood than the other.

61 posted on 04/29/2019 2:38:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Your entitled to your opinion.

And I have no shame in presenting it! :)

62 posted on 04/29/2019 2:39:43 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Washington was a part time employee of the King, a few years militia service during the F/I war if I remember correctly. He was not educated on the Kings shilling at Eton.
Lee on the other hand received a free education at West Point and 40 years of employment in the Army of the United States courtesy of the Federal Government.


63 posted on 04/29/2019 2:42:11 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

Be my guest.


64 posted on 04/29/2019 2:42:37 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

Sorry - I meant insurrectionists...


65 posted on 04/29/2019 2:43:01 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: Bull Snipe
Lee on the other hand received a free education at West Point and 40 years of employment in the Army of the United States courtesy of the Federal Government.

I would think that after 40 years they would have gotten their money's worth, or do they own him for life?

Funny, I thought we were against that sort of thing. :)

66 posted on 04/29/2019 2:51:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Ohioan; DoodleDawg; BroJoeK
Arguably, his country was Virginia.

You can get away with saying anything if you preface it with "Arguably," but if some other state had decided to opt out of the country during the Mexican War when Lee was fighting there, they wouldn't want to be around when he got back.

The Federal blueprint (Constitution) was beautifully designed; but that did not alter original commitments to a developing Virginia, which was for a long time the leading member of that Federation.

So Lee was loyal to his oath so long as Virginia was the leading state in the country? Doesn't say much for the guy.

67 posted on 04/29/2019 2:52:46 PM PDT by x
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To: rockrr
Except that becoming independent isn't "insurrection." That's just the made up bullsh*t that Lincoln claimed to unlock powers that would allow him to stop them.

Clearly, holding democratic elections in which the populace votes to leave is not "insurrection."

You may want to take a look at what's going on in England right now. I believe they call it "Brexit."

68 posted on 04/29/2019 2:53:38 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Except that becoming independent isn't "insurrection."

It is the way the confeds tried it.

69 posted on 04/29/2019 2:55:11 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Lee would have been on the Federal Government half pay until he died.


70 posted on 04/29/2019 2:55:54 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: rockrr
It is the way the confeds tried it.

By insisting that troops under the command of the government they left be removed from the entrance to the port of one of their most prominent port cities? Yeah, that's just unreasonable.

71 posted on 04/29/2019 2:57:42 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Bull Snipe
Lee would have been on the Federal Government half pay until he died.

I guess the money wasn't as important to him as defending his homeland was.

72 posted on 04/29/2019 2:59:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: x
I never saw your response to Kansas Supreme court finding a "right" to abortion in the Kansas constitution Article 1, which looks quite similar to Massachusetts constitution Article 1.

I was looking forward to your explanation as to how this was a correct and proper method of interpreting Kansas Constitution Article 1.

73 posted on 04/29/2019 3:01:34 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The Confederacy was not Lee’s home land. The State of Virginia was.


74 posted on 04/29/2019 3:01:55 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DiogenesLamp

Yes, indeed, they got their money’s worth. Years of teaching at West Point, head of the Army Corps of Engineers, service in the Mexican War (a war he didn’t like) and so many other incredible duties carried out with his noted service to authority. Top that with his turning Washington College into a fine institution of learning!

I will not mention his teeth-grindingly annoying ability to get through West Point without a single demerit, lol, while my other two chaps, Custer and Grant, came up short! Well, Custer, cane up incredibly short but was a true hero of the Civil War despite the carping of the politically-correct.

Hope all is well with you, Diogenes Lamp!

(Computer doing weird things: I spelled came correctly but it keeps coming out “cane”.


75 posted on 04/29/2019 3:03:12 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Bull Snipe
The Confederacy was not Lee’s home land. The State of Virginia was.

When his state voted to take up common cause with them, he was obliged to do his state's bidding.

But you know that.

76 posted on 04/29/2019 3:05:34 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

He was not obliged to. He made a conscious decision to do so. As I would probably have done under similar circumstances.


77 posted on 04/29/2019 3:09:55 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: miss marmelstein
It is good to see you again. I recall seeing that you have moved to Alabama? I've driven through it almost two decades ago, and so I don't remember much about it.

Hope you are enjoying it, though I would think it would be very hot there in the Summertime. :)

Yes, we are once again engaged in another iteration of the endless discussion of the civil war. I do find it interesting because I occasionally learn something new.

Anyways, I hope you are well and having a good time!

78 posted on 04/29/2019 3:11:06 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

I have to agree with you there - it was unreasonable of them. Provocative too.


79 posted on 04/29/2019 3:11:35 PM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: Bull Snipe
He was not obliged to. He made a conscious decision to do so. As I would probably have done under similar circumstances.

I think many people would have done the same. Your home is where your heart is.

80 posted on 04/29/2019 3:12:11 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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