Posted on 08/10/2019 9:46:22 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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A lot of gun dealers are not tech-savvy. Telephone, 4473....good to go.
“The NICS system in place now works well.”
I watch NBC News, until they tick me off and I click it off.
Recent shows indicate that background checks aren’t very effective.
I would also note that many ex-cons have gun-owning spouses.
“So anybody that I can get their 9 digit zip and a picture of I can find out if they’re prohibited.”
“Nope, not more secure at all.”
Could you tell me my Florida identification card number please?
Was my mouth open or closed when the photo was taken?
What is the serial number of my ID card?
Here the background check
Are you a liberal, democrap, socialist or communist? Denied!
Are you on any psychotic drugs or abuse federally declared illegal drugs? Denied!
Are you married or have anyone in your family that is described in question 1? Denied.
“I’m assuming they save every request so they have a de-facto list of gun owners. That pisses me off.”
Me too!
I believe they collect/retain the records of gun dealers going out of business.
They also insist gun dealers retain the records, I believe for twenty years, just in case they can justify collecting the records off the dealers. And they will, someday.
If I sell you booze I’ll get the number. Or smokes. Or simply tell you that my company demands to see ID on credit card purchases of that high a value. You flash your ID all the time.
“The issue is that the leftards want to prohibit private sales altogether.”
I can’t think of a mass shooting linked to a friend-to-friend sale.
“it is NOT CONFIDENTIAL if you send your ID to the government - they’ll log the transaction and when they come for your guns they’ll go to your house because they have the record of it.”
Oh, I applied for a job at the big store that closed down five years ago.
“To help prevent DHS state ID checking being used to identify gun buyers, it might also be used for employment-related ID checking.”
If you don’t want to use my system, a Form 4473 awaits you.
And leave your mobile phone at home.
You don’t want google, Apple or Verizon knowing you were at a gun dealer’s place of business.
If I sell you booze I’ll get the number. Or smokes. Or simply tell you that my company demands to see ID on credit card purchases of that high a value. You flash your ID all the time.
That's why I never show my drivers license to anyone (except a law enforcement officer executing a traffic stop), but instead use my passport card.
You honestly put credence in NBC News (or any other major network news group)?? About guns?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
The real objective of universal background checks is the implementation of gun registration. Both buyer and seller would have to maintain the paperwork proving that a transaction had been approved for each firearm bought or sold. The government would have to have a copy as well. There you go, registration.
Seriously curious....why? How is that better than a DL? Doesn’t passport card have photo? I really don’t know...I only have a regular passport, not the card. My passport has my photo.
this of course would be raysis, as we all know the disadvantaged minorities are unable to obtain or afford any type of ID. That is why we cannot have voter ID, much less ability to buy a gun ID. /S
Look up BIDS, the Blind ID System.
I've read where dealers have reported that during the annual BATF audit, the agents routinely Xerox the entire dealer's FFL book. If so, so much for "The govt only gets the records when to dealer dies or goes out of business" routine.
“...I believe they collect/retain the records of gun dealers going out of business.
They also insist gun dealers retain the records, I believe for twenty years, just in case they can justify collecting the records off the dealers. And they will, someday.”
It’s worse than you think.
FFL holders are required to keep the original Forms 4473 for 20 years. But the agency regularly encourages them to keep all that they can, indefinitely.
FFL holders (federally licensed dealers) must keep a logbook of all firearms they receive, recording the person (or dealership, or official agency) the get it from, and the person (agency, company etc) they transfer it to. This information must be kept in a permanently bound book called the acquisition & disposition (A&D) record in the jargon of the trade.
Gunsmiths must be FFL holders and keep the same A&D log, on any firearm left with them for repair. The firearm in question must be returned to the same individual who dropped it off initially; the gunsmith must request prior approval for the disposition from the National Instant Check System before the arm can be transferred to any other party (exempt from NICS in disposition of repaired arms: corporate officers or other approved parties an employees in the case of corporate ownership, or approved government officials in the case of an official agency).
The A&D log must be kept indefinitely. As your second sentence points out, when the FFL holder leaves the trade, all existing records (all A&D logs and surviving Forms 4473) must be sent to the agency records archiving center.
The agency is allowed to descend on any dealership and demand access to A&D records without any advance notice. And agents typically treat the FFL holder as guilty until proven innocent; if the disposition side of the ledger is blank, the FFL holder must prove the arm in question was stolen, destroyed, etc.
Agency scrutiny becomes more intense if any gun sold by the dealer turns up at a crime scene. Stolen arms must be reported to the agency immediately on discovery of the theft; if a blank spot on the distribution side of the ledger is discovered months or years later, suspicion immediately falls on the FFL holder. Excuses such as “Entered in error” or “We forgot to log it out and lost track of the documentation” are treated with extreme disfavor. Worst of all: if a firearm logged out as “Destroyed” turns up at a crime scene.
Nope. But you do make it seem so easy to be a slave. The slave owners back in the day would have loved to have had one such as you. Wonder what George Washington or any of the Founding Fathers would have though of your proposal? Enjoy your chains. May they rest lightly upon you. Don’t forget to kiss your master’s feet and lick his hand.
“...my proposal is an improvement in speed and confidentiality.” [First sentence of Brian’s original post]
You have made five errors:
1. An improvement in speed and/or confidentiality will catch more offenders before they do something really drastic, unpleasant, and horrifying.
2. Obtaining prior permission from an official government agency before allowing transfer of a firearm is more effective in keeping guns away from crazy people, criminal perps, or other people who ought not have them.
3. Keeping people safe, secure, and free of fear is a public good of such overriding urgency and importance that it justifies negation of all other rights and liberties.
4. The inner psychology of a human being can be revealed and understood with such detail and accuracy that it is possible to foresee whether they will commit violent acts, and when.
5. Its is possible and desirable to reduces all risks and hazards to zero.
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