CrowdStrike: a Conspiracy Wrapped in a Conspiracy Inside a Conspiracy

Frontpage Mag ^ | Nov 29, 2019 | Oleg Atbashian

[Zathras]

Chrissy barely knows how to program a TIVO box.
I would have him in tears after 5 min pointing out what a clueless moron he is.
Too bad Faux News only allows idiot lawyers and idiot politicians to interview.

[philman_36]

In other words, there is no missing server. There’s no physical box locked away in a vault somewhere. There are simply copies of what the DNC’s systems looked like at the time of the attack, which both CrowdStrike and the DNC confirm were shared with the FBI during the investigation.

WOW! A Wired article? Really?

How Trump’s Ukraine Mess Entangled CrowdStrike

In other words, there is no missing server. There's no physical box locked away in a vault somewhere. There are simply copies of what the DNC's systems looked like at the time of the attack, which both CrowdStrike and the DNC confirm were shared with the FBI during the investigation, no U-Haul required.

You should provide links, oincobx.

[philman_36]

And we'll just blow that whole "we shared it with the FBI" BS right out of the water right now!

Full text: James Comey testimony transcript on Trump and Russia

COMEY: In the case of the DNC, and I believe the D triple C, but I'm sure the DNC, we did not have access to the devices themselves. We got relevant forensic information from a private party, a high class entity, that had done the work but we didn't get direct access.
BURR: But no content.
COMEY: Correct.
BURR: Isn't content an important part of the forensics from a counter-intelligence standpoint?
COMEY: It is but what was briefed to me by the people who were my folks at the time is that they had gotten the information from the private party that they needed to understand the intrusion by the spring of 2016. Crowdstrike didn't turn over “images” of the hard drive and memory...according to Comey. They turned over information.
And he doesn't mention getting anything from the DNC either. JUST Crowd Strike. You know, that high class private party/entity.

CrowdStrikeOut: Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims

Further, the government allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party's legal counsel to submit redacted records, meaning CrowdStrike and not the government decided what could be revealed or not regarding evidence of hacking. Odd! If I had "images" of a server and a federal IT forensic department funded through the wazoo with hundreds of employees.../conjecture...but I digress. Back to the known...

Here is the ONLY source I can find of this "sharing"...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-missing-dnc-server-is-neither-missing-nor-a-server

“The FBI was given images of servers, forensic copies, as well as a host of other forensic information we collected from our systems,” said Adrienne Watson, the DNC’s deputy communications director. “We were in close contact and worked cooperatively with the FBI and were always responsive to their requests. Any suggestion that they were denied access to what they wanted for their investigation is completely incorrect.”
The FBI declined comment for this story, but in testimony before the House Intelligence Committee last year, then-director James Comey said that Crowdstrike “ultimately shared with us their forensics.”Requests from Comey's people. Catch that? What if they didn't request anything?
With Mueller investigation, FBI gets chance to physically inspect 'hacked' DNC computers“The DNC coordinated with the FBI and federal intelligence agencies and provided everything they requested, including copies of DNC servers,” Adrienne Watson, deputy director of DNC communications, told The Washington Times. “Conspiracy theories from the president suggesting otherwise are false.ONE woman says it happened.

We're to believe that the FBI had all of this information yet they relied completely and totally upon Crowd Strike's analysis.

The “server” Trump is obsessed with is actually 140 servers, most of them cloud-based...
The FBI has images of 140 servers...
If true, think about the storage capacity needed to "image" aaaaaaaaall of that information to be able to hand it over.

Pardon my skepticism if I don't believe the DNC turned over SQUAT to the FBI.

[philman_36]

Oh, my...who to believe?

FBI: DNC rebuffed request to examine computer servers

The Democratic National Committee "rebuffed" a request from the FBI to examine its computer services after it was allegedly hacked by Russia during the 2016 election, a senior law enforcement official told CNN Thursday.
"The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated," a senior law enforcement official told CNN. "This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier."
This statement is in response to reports that the FBI never asked the DNC for access to the hacked systems. See above, bitt.

[philman_36]

From above by me...
What if they didn't request anything?

The FBI Never Asked For Access To Hacked Computer Servers

The Democratic National Committee tells BuzzFeed News that the bureau “never requested access” to the servers the White House and intelligence community say were hacked by Russia.

[philman_36]

They provided the FBI all of their forensic materials including server and disk images. The FBI did their own, independent investigation.

Read replies 42 through 45 and let me know if you still believe the BS you're spooning out after you read them.

Some ammo to arm yourself with, Pete Dovgan, so you can counter mis/disinformation.

[oincobx]

So you are of the opinipn that there is a single, physival aerver aitting in Ukraine, correct? Why Ukraine and not perhaps France or Ghana or Argentina?

[Track9]

Interesting data. Thanks

[philman_36]

So you are of the opinipn (sic) that there is a single, physival (sic) aerver (sic) aitting (sic) in Ukraine, correct?
Where have I even implied such a conjecture?
All I said was this...
The “server” Trump is obsessed with is actually 140 servers, most of them cloud-based...
The FBI has images of 140 servers...
If true, think about the storage capacity needed to "image" aaaaaaaaall of that information to be able to hand it over.

I distinctly made mention of the 140 servers, not a single server.
What I ALLUDED TO was the ability to transfer/store all of that information...it is a LARGE number of servers after all...since we've been told that the FBI has it all.

Why Ukraine and not perhaps France or Ghana or Argentina?

Since you haven't established your first posit as factual your second posit shouldn't have even been made.

Want to play again?

[oincobx]

>>>want to play again?

The President and his lawyer think that there is a DNC server in Ukraine. Do you have a view as to why Ukraine and not France, Ghana or Argentina.

[philman_36]

The President and his lawyer think that there is a DNC server in Ukraine.
Do you have that in transcript form? You saying that he said something and him actually saying it are two different things.

Do you have a view as to why Ukraine and not France, Ghana or Argentina.
Once again, you've yet to prove your first posit so why venture the second posit?

Want to play again?

[oincobx]

>>>Do you have that in transcript form?

“A lot of it had to do, they say, with Ukraine,” Trump said. “They have the server, right? From the DNC ... they gave the server to CrowdStrike — or whatever it’s called — which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian, and I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI has never gotten that server. That’s a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?”

[semimojo]

Read replies 42 through 45 and let me know if you still believe the BS you're spooning out after you read them.

There's absolutely nothing in those replies to say Crowdstrike didn't share all of their data, including system and disk images, with the FBI.

Even the Mueller report says they shared the images and traffic logs with the FBI.

You give away the game with this:

Pardon my skepticism if I don't believe the DNC turned over SQUAT to the FBI.

The FBI and the DNC both say the FBI got everything they wanted, but you're so committed to some conspiracy theory you can't accept direct testimony.

[philman_36]

Wired? AGAIN?!
Trump's Ukraine Server Delusion Is SpreadingThe story, as Trump recently posited on a marathon call-in to Fox and Friends, goes something like this:
“A lot of it had to do, they say, with Ukraine,” Trump said. “It’s very interesting. They have the server, right? From the DNC, Democratic National Committee. The FBI went in, and they told them, 'Get out of here, we’re not giving it to you.' They gave the server to CrowdStrike, or whatever it’s called, which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian, and I still want to see that server. You know, the FBI has never gotten that server. That’s a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?”

The video...Trump calls into ‘Fox & Friends’ amid impeachment probe, upcoming FISA report

Follow along transcript...Donald Trump Fox and Friends Interview Transcript – Trump Interviewed After Impeachment Hearings

Steve Doocy: (04:55)
How high did it go? Your opinion.

Donald Trump: (04:56) Personally, I think it goes all the way, okay? Because I think it’s impossible-

Steve Doocy: (05:00)
To Barack Obama.

Donald Trump: (05:01)
Brennan, and for Clapper, and for all of these losers that you had over there, I think it’s impossible for them to being doing things. Let’s see what it all says, but it’s impossible. Susan Rice, the person that worked at the United Nations, who went after FISA reports and went after reports like she ate them for lunch. When you look at the previous administration, they went after a few, and she was getting them at levels that nobody’s even imagined before. It had nothing to do with her. No, I think this goes to the highest level. I hate to say it, I think it’s a disgrace. They thought I was going to win and they said, “How can we stop him?” They wrote up the phony, fake dossier, the disgusting fake dossier, and they tried to have it put out prior to the election, and just to show you how incompetent they were, they spent millions and millions of dollars. Hillary Clinton paid for it and the Democrats. A lot of it had to do, they say, with Ukraine.

Brian Kilmeade: (06:00)
But Mr. President-

Donald Trump: (06:02)
It’s very interesting. They have the server, right, from the DNC, Democratic National Committee-

Brian Kilmeade: (06:07)
Who has the server?

Donald Trump: (06:09)
The FBI went in and they told them, “Get out of here. We’re not giving it to you.” They gave the server to CrowdStrike or whatever it’s called, which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian. And I still want to see that server. The FBI has never gotten that server. That’s a big part of this whole thing. Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company? Why-

Steve Doocy: (06:31)
Are you sure they did that? Are you sure they gave it to Ukraine?

Donald Trump: (06:35)
Well, that’s what the word is. That’s what I asked, actually, in my phone call if you know. I mean, I asked it very point blank because we’re looking for corruption. There’s tremendous corruption we’re looking for. Why should we be giving hundreds of millions of dollars to countries when there’s this kind of corruption? When you look at my call, I said corruption … I think he said it to me. He’s looking. He got elected on the basis of corruption. And I also, by the way, going back to that, why isn’t Germany putting up money? Why isn’t France putting up money? All the European nations, why aren’t they putting up? You have the European Union, and they’re benefited a lot more by the Ukraine than we are.

Key parts..."CrowdStrike or whatever it’s called, which is a company owned by a very wealthy Ukrainian" and "Why did they give it to a Ukrainian company?"

As you can see Steve Doocy asked "Are you sure they gave it to Ukraine?" POTUS never said it.
POTUS responded..."Well, that’s what the word is."

Nope, still don't see where the POTUS made any claim about the server being in the Ukraine. I hear him repeating what others have said.

Context is everything.

[philman_36]

Even the Mueller report says they shared the images and traffic logs with the FBI.

You mean Page 40, Footnote 135?

The GRU also stole documents from the DNC network shortly after gaining access. On April 22, 2016, the GRU copied files fromthe DNC network to GRU-controlled computers. Stolen documents included the DNC’s opposition research into candidate Trump.¹³⁴ Between approximately May 25, 2016 and June 1, 2016, GRU officers accessed the DNC’s mail server from a GRU-controlled computer leased inside the United States.¹³⁵ During these connections, Unit 26165 officers appear to have stolen thousands of emails and attachments, which were later released by WikiLeaks in July 2016.¹³⁶

¹³⁵ ("Redacted" Investigative Technique) See SM-2589105-GJ, serial 649. As part of its investigation, the FBI later received images of DNC servers and copies of relevant traffic logs. Netyksho Indictment ¶¶ 28-29.

What's that? If the FBI has the images of the DNC servers why did they get copies of the traffic logs? Who gave them the copies?

Netyksho Indictment

Where is the report from the FBI Cyber Crime division detailing the information they got from the servers?

What? You say there isn't a Cyber Crime Division report?
Funny, that.

Until a report comes out I consider Footnote 135 as just one more lie among many. You can take it as gospel truth, but I'm not that gullible.

[nutmeg]

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[philman_36]

The FBI and the DNC both say the FBI got everything they wanted, but you're so committed to some conspiracy theory you can't accept direct testimony.

Odd that you make such a claim when I gave a link and the words of direct testimony in reply 43...

Full text: James Comey testimony transcript on Trump and Russia COMEY: In the case of the DNC, and I believe the D triple C, but I'm sure the DNC, we did not have access to the devices themselves. We got relevant forensic information from a private party, a high class entity, that had done the work but we didn't get direct access.
BURR: But no content.
COMEY: Correct.
BURR: Isn't content an important part of the forensics from a counter-intelligence standpoint?
COMEY: It is but what was briefed to me by the people who were my folks at the time is that they had gotten the information from the private party that they needed to understand the intrusion by the spring of 2016. The Mueller report isn't direct testimony, but you know that.

[zeestephen]

I'm curious about the “140 servers” claim.

I am not a computer guy, but my understanding is that one server can easily handle a couple dozen computers.

How many employees did the DNC have? Why did they need 140 servers? And why did they have to “decommission” all 140? Can't you just install a new hard drive and re-program it?

Also - it seems like it should be impossible to prosecute the Russians when the only evidence the FBI has is third party hard drive images with no chain of custody.

And what happened to the John Podesta computer/server that got hacked? Where is that?

[Pete Dovgan]

Again, feel free to educate me on Crowdstrike and the DNC server issue. These are the facts that I am aware of

1. First. FYI.....McAfee has been banned in the past (not sure if still is) from Government use because it was a highway to Russia. That alone, combined with the connections to Russia and the Ukraine should give you pause to it’s credibility.

2. Please give the name of another company, that you can prove without question, independently reviewed the DNC server and Crowdstrike’s results.

3. Please provide information that the FBI did an independent investigation on the DNC server, and DID NOT SUBCONTRACT CROWDSTRIKE and accept only their results. Please provide reference to when and where, and who provided the entire DNC server to the FBI.

The left wing nuts are all about ‘debunked’ and ‘false’ claims. They often provide the ‘illusion’ that something happened when it frankly did not. Good luck with your research, I have been following this story for 3 plus years, but I am willing to be educated it my ‘impressions’ of the facts are wrong.

[oincobx]

>>>Nope, still don’t see where the POTUS made any claim about the server being in the Ukraine. I hear him repeating what others have said.

And we know what “They” say is not true. Crowdstrike is not a Ukranian company owned by a very wealthy Ukranian. So there is no need for an investigation.