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Neanderthals dived for shells to make tools, research suggests
The Guardian UK ^ | 15 Jan 2020 | Nicola Davis

Posted on 01/16/2020 4:47:28 PM PST by blueplum

Neanderthals went diving for shells to turn into tools, according to new research, suggesting our big-browed cousins made more use of the sea than previously thought.

The study focuses on 171 shell tools that were found in a now inaccessible coastal cave in central Italy, known as the Grotta dei Moscerini, which was excavated in 1949. Dating of animal teeth found within layers alongside the shell tools suggest they are from about 90,000 to 100,000 years ago – a time when only Neanderthals are thought to have been present in western Europe....(snip)

...The team reported another surprise: the discovery of pumices – lumps of volcanic rock that they say were probably collected by Neanderthals from the beach. Such rocks are known to have been used by early modern humans to ....

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Science
KEYWORDS: anthropology; archaeology; eurasia; godsgravesglyphs; history; italy; limeysciencedeniers; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; nicoladavis; surferdudes; unitedkingdom
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Neanderthals ate sushi - I wonder if they surfed, too?
1 posted on 01/16/2020 4:47:28 PM PST by blueplum
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The Neanderthals were an advanced race, but they were overwhelmed my the migrants coming out of Africa. Sort of like what’s happening today.


2 posted on 01/16/2020 4:53:09 PM PST by Cowboy Bob ("Other People's Money" = The life blood of Liberalism)
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Saying that the shells were not heavily worn means they were live collected by a diver is a huge leap, and likely incorrect. I have found many, many beached shells in perfect condition, with the periostracum still intact, that would be difficult to distinguish from a live collected specimen. After storms I’ve found many with parts of the mollusk still present, and in some cases, still living.


3 posted on 01/16/2020 5:05:53 PM PST by ETCM
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To: blueplum

Eh. That’s nothing.

OUR Neanderthals managed to fraud themselves into running the entire state of Virginia and are currently busily engaged in trying to start a shooting match with the Citizens.

Beat THAT, shell divers...


4 posted on 01/16/2020 5:07:17 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: blueplum

No wonder the Neanderthals went extinct. Sea shells are NOT good material for tools. They are brittle and break easily. The modern humans used chiseled rocks for tools, which work better in butchering killed animals and last longer.


5 posted on 01/16/2020 5:10:35 PM PST by entropy12 (You are either for free enterprise or want gov't to protect your wage levels. Can't be both.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Not happening partner! The average net worth of African-Americans is smaller than all other ethnic categories, except new immigrants. Long term immigrants are right at the top of the list, ahead of all others.


6 posted on 01/16/2020 5:14:02 PM PST by entropy12 (You are either for free enterprise or want gov't to protect your wage levels. Can't be both.)
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I’d guess the shells were maybe used to flesh or carve tender hides (rabbit? body tribal markings?), rather than butcher tough cuts. Neanderthals were a creative lot - surely their talents weren’t limited to a few cave paintings?


7 posted on 01/16/2020 6:11:39 PM PST by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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Neanderthals are smarter than some people in Congress. I wonder if they thought Guam would flip over. 😋

Of course, I wonder if Bernie or A O-C think that they went extinct because they didn't have free health care, free college, free food, or free stuff... 😋

8 posted on 01/16/2020 7:09:38 PM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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To: SunkenCiv

*ping*


9 posted on 01/16/2020 7:30:33 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Dear Mr. Kotter, #Epsteindidntkillhimself - Signed, Epstein's Mother)
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To: blueplum

They do it down on Camber Sands
They do it at Waikiki
Lazing about the beach all day,
At night the crickets creepy

Squinting faces at the sky
A Harold Robbins paperback
Surfers drop their boards and dry
And everybody wants a hat

But behind the chalet
My holiday’s complete
And I feel like William Tell
Maid Marian on her tiptoed feet
Pulling mussels from a shell
Pulling mussels from a shell


10 posted on 01/16/2020 7:32:36 PM PST by Rastus
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To: blueplum

Nowadays, Neanderthals convene in a place called Des Moines which means “Gather Place of Communists” in the Neanderthal language. They go their diving for a thing called “votes.”


11 posted on 01/16/2020 7:34:26 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ETCM

“Saying that the shells were not heavily worn means they were live collected by a diver is a huge leap, and likely incorrect. I have found many, many beached shells in perfect condition, with the periostracum still intact, that would be difficult to distinguish from a live collected specimen. After storms I’ve found many with parts of the mollusk still present, and in some cases, still living.”

You are precisely correct. I have no doubt they went diving for mollusks as a food source in shallow waters. If the shell was useful as a tool it would be most logical to use it so. They would have with out doubt used shells found on the beach for the same purposes.

Anthropologists have a tendency to develop theories with little basis in logic. However, it does make interesting reading. Sometimes they are right. More often in fact they are not.

However, this does not mean their science is bad science. It is just theory until proved right or wrong. So long as they present it as theory I have no problem with this. If they present it is fact as do those of man made global warming they are just scientific frauds.

ps
If geologic history is correct and we are really at the end of an ice age the caps will melt and New York and London and other great cities near the coast will very slowly go beneath the oceans. We will slowly retreat from the sea over several thousands of years. Those great cities will have already fallen from just age. It will not be a catastrophic event.

However, in the geologic past we have had warming periods in a glacial period much similar to what is happening now. This was a brief warming period without full melting of the glacial caps and soon returned to full glaciation.

In reality we do not know where we are in relationship to full melting of the icecaps or return to full ice age. Man does not have one damn thing to do with it.


12 posted on 01/16/2020 10:53:51 PM PST by cpdiii ( canecutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: 240B; 75thOVI; Adder; albertp; asgardshill; At the Window; bitt; blu; BradyLS; cajungirl; ...
Thanks fieldmarshaldj.
Here are the other GGG topics introduced since the previous Digest ping:

13 posted on 01/17/2020 12:04:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

The Neanderthals were an advanced race, but they were overwhelmed my the migrants coming out of Africa.


The Neanderthals were a species and inter bred with an older species heidelbergensis to produce hybrid Denisovans species who interbred with Cro-Magnon species who bred back with both Denisovans and Neanderthals to get us. We are hybrids.


14 posted on 01/17/2020 2:16:34 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: cpdiii

crabs, mollusks are regarded historically by native peoples as food only when hunting is very bad and starvation is a possibility.


15 posted on 01/17/2020 2:19:14 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: blueplum

So she sold sea shells by the sea shore.

Albeit, sporadically.


16 posted on 01/17/2020 3:02:44 AM PST by Adder (Mr. Franklin: We are trying to get the Republic back!)
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To: blueplum

Neanderthals ate seafood.

Neanderthals used tools.

Neanderthals had a good time.................


17 posted on 01/17/2020 6:11:38 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: ETCM

I have, too.


18 posted on 01/17/2020 6:37:30 AM PST by wintertime ( Behind every government school teacher stand armed police.( Real bullets in those guns on the hip!))
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19 posted on 01/17/2020 7:45:18 AM PST by bitt (A FRIVOLOUS impeachment vote is a SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY)
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Writing in the journal Plos One, Villa and colleagues note the new study is not the first to suggest Neanderthals were comfortable in the water. It has recently been found that Neanderthals had “surfer’s ear”, a bony growth in the external ear canal that forms in response to repeated exposure to cold water or wind.

Who knows, maybe they were surfers..

20 posted on 01/17/2020 8:28:06 AM PST by GOPJ (Glacier National Park removed signs warning glaciers will be gone by 2020 (ten year old sign))
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