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GM is betting its electrified future on a revolutionary new battery system
Yahoo finance ^ | 4-6-21 | Andrew Tarantola

Posted on 04/06/2021 3:15:17 PM PDT by pluvmantelo

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To: Revel

A feature, not a bug to the high and mighty.


21 posted on 04/06/2021 3:41:32 PM PDT by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure.)
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To: kaehurowing

Sorry, I meant the previous post for Boogieman.


22 posted on 04/06/2021 3:41:46 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (Trump don't work cos the vandals took the Handel)
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To: pluvmantelo

From the article: “The transition of battery packs from wired to wireless connectivity enables automotive manufacturers to scale their electric vehicle platforms across multiple vehicle models to meet growing consumer demand,” Patrick Morgan, VP of Automotive at Analog Devices, said.”

That’s a joke. By all reports there is no ‘growing consumer demand’. Other articles in WSJ indicate that dealers are having a tough go selling EV to consumers.

More from the article: “With this flexibility, GM can pack in anywhere from 50 kWh to 200 kWh of energy capacity (double what the current largest Tesla battery, the P100D, can hold), translating into 350 - 400 miles of estimated range and a 0 - 60 in as low as 3 seconds.”

So how long to recharge these batteries? On a long trip, I can refuel my gas car in five minutes or less. I really don’t want to wait for an hour or two to recharge.


23 posted on 04/06/2021 3:43:17 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: RockyTx

With President Trump, we didn’t need OPEC. We were a net exporter of petroleum.


24 posted on 04/06/2021 3:44:47 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (The Weak Never Started, The Cowards fail along the way, Only the Strong Survive)
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To: DugwayDuke

From the article:
What’s more, the Ultium system is capable of handling an 800V electrical architecture. That is, most mainstream EVs on the road today (luxury models like the Porsche Taycan, Audi e-tron GT and Polestar 2 being exceptions) as well as a majority of the DC fast charging stations, use a 400V standard, which limits the amount of energy a station can dump into your car’s depleted power cells to around 200 kW. With an 800V architecture, a DC station can pump as much as 350 kW across its line — more than double that of Tesla’s 150 kW limit. This should enable Ultium vehicles to charge faster — GM claims it can add 100 miles of range with 10 minutes of charge time — and also output some of that power to other devices (even other EVs) using an Integrated Charging Control Unit (ICCU).


25 posted on 04/06/2021 3:49:54 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (Trump don't work cos the vandals took the Handel)
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To: napscoordinator

“Gas stations need to be equipped with charging stations that take 10 minutes to charge. “

I don’t think such a charger exists.


26 posted on 04/06/2021 3:52:52 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: pluvmantelo

I didn’t see any tow ratings for the new 1000hp Hummer.


27 posted on 04/06/2021 3:53:40 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Biden's favorite word: What?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

thats only partly true.

OPEC has strong influence on price in US
even if US does not import from them


28 posted on 04/06/2021 3:53:43 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: pluvmantelo
EV's, a great idea for a place like Lichtenstein or Vatican City, but not such a great idea for getting lettuce from California to Maine and then lobsters on the rebound trip.

EV's ca.1900 were getting 100 miles per charge. And now 300 miles per charge is considered great. What a quantum leap!!!!

29 posted on 04/06/2021 3:53:45 PM PDT by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: VeniVidiVici

11,500lbs


30 posted on 04/06/2021 3:55:06 PM PDT by crosdaddy
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To: napscoordinator

One question. Where is all the electricity going to come from to run these charging stations? We’re shutting down coal, oil and NG. We’re building no new nuclear plants, and all the usable rivers have been dammed. Wind and solar supply 6-8% of our total power now with little expectation of massive output growth. Can’t speak to the international supply if fairy dust and unicorn farts.


31 posted on 04/06/2021 3:57:40 PM PDT by redangus
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To: toddausauras

Patience Grasshopper patience.


32 posted on 04/06/2021 3:59:22 PM PDT by Polynikes ( Hakkaa paalle)
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To: pluvmantelo

Batteries are very bulky and heavy

My experience has been recently with these electric bikes that are out there

Those bikes weigh 60 pounds mine weighs 30

So therefore you’re just going to be restricted on a bike that has a battery on it

Same is true with electric vehicles

Case in point: range

To get 400 miles out of an electric vehicle you’re gonna need a lot of batteries and it’s gonna be very bulky

You simply cannot run a battery car in the very cold weather

Batteries take a long time to recharge

Electricity is also expensive unless you make it yourself for solar panels

The killer for me as well if you run out of juice and you’re nowhere near anything

It’s an electric bike you’re gonna have to push that thing up the mountain

your car you’re just kind of screwed

I get it I get Tesla. They’re FAST AS HELL. ELECTTIC MOTORS ARE VERY EFFICRNT

but just give me my gas powered vehicle any day


33 posted on 04/06/2021 4:00:52 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (Fraud !!! Now we’re off the TRUMP TRAIN and on the Swamp express to communist hell !! TRUTH! )
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To: Fester Chugabrew

One thing you don’t see on the desert highway between Bakersfield and Las Vegas:

Teslas.

And you don’t see them on the highway between Palm Springs and Phoenix either.


34 posted on 04/06/2021 4:01:05 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness

Do you have a citation for the100 miles range assertion? I’ve never seen a number remotely close to that. Thanks


35 posted on 04/06/2021 4:02:16 PM PDT by pluvmantelo (Trump don't work cos the vandals took the Handel)
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To: pluvmantelo

I am fine with EV vehicles, provided there is ZERO subsidies or tax credits of any kind for them.

Also, I think EV sales should be halted, until the states and federal representatives legislate taxes for EVs that derive an average equivalent level of taxation as the fuel taxes - without taxing “miles driven” - with all the data collection THAT will require.

Lastly, the battery industry either has to self-clean-up the pollution pilling up in the mountains of used car batteries, or have a tax applied to batteries to pay for public efforts to do it. Batteries should not be permitted in landfills and should be sent to outfits that break them up and break them down, recycling what can be recycled.

It is hypocritical to refer to the EV industries as “green” and not polluting when the massive increase in battery use already here, and set to be massively growing, is just changing one pollution issue for another, and so far its largely being ignored.


36 posted on 04/06/2021 4:05:18 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: napscoordinator

“Gas stations need to be equipped with charging stations that take 10 minutes to charge.”

I’m going to open up a combination charging station and massage parlor. Charge and discharge.


37 posted on 04/06/2021 4:09:16 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: RockyTx

Where does the power come from?


38 posted on 04/06/2021 4:12:31 PM PDT by Noumenon (The Second Amendment exists primarily to deal with those who just won't take no for an answer. KTF)
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To: pluvmantelo

I will say one thing for GM it is the only corp. to be forcefully split four times by the government.


39 posted on 04/06/2021 4:16:16 PM PDT by MAAG (“Don't shine so others can see you. Shine so that through you, others can see Him.”)
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“So how long to recharge these batteries?”

Depends on how much power the charger can put out. A 200 kWh battery will take at least an hour if the charger can pump 200,000 Watts. If you want a 6 minute charge time then the charger must provide 2,000,000 Watts. And I’m not going to be comfortable with 2 megaWatt cabling. 2 megaWatts per charging station is completely ridiculous, if us consumers are going to do the hookups and charging, 10 kW is likely going to be tops.

Charge times go up if battery inefficiencies and issues like heating up are considered.


40 posted on 04/06/2021 4:25:31 PM PDT by DBrow
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