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China is gearing up to activate the world's first 'clean' commercial nuclear reactor (molten salt thorium. waterless cooling)
LiveScience ^ | 7-23-21 | Ben Turner

Posted on 07/28/2021 10:27:48 AM PDT by dynachrome

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To: aquila48

“where do these high energy neutrons come from?”

Amazon?


41 posted on 07/28/2021 12:46:41 PM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: dynachrome; alloysteel; bigbob; shotgun; Bayard; reg45; Sequoyah101
We tried waterless reactors in the 50’s and even launched a submarine. Here is a link and an excerpt from the article.

The USS Seawolf Sodium-Cooled Reactor Submarine https://ans.org/about/officers/docs/seawolf_sfr_sea_story_051712.pdf

SEAWOLF also has a history, and a unique part of that history is the sodium cooled reactor that originally powered her. The Liquid Metal Reactor (LMR) uses a molten metal for the reactor coolant and, because of very little moderation, the neutrons maintain their energy. We call those neutrons “fast.” The molten metal coolant circulates through heat exchangers to generate steam to drive a power turbine. The most common LMR coolants are sodium, sodium-potassium, and lead-bismuth. Most LMRs are “fast reactors” – “fast” because most fission occurs at energies above 100keV. The SEAWOLF core, however, used carbon to thermalize the neutrons to improve the cross sections, so it cannot be called a “fast reactor.” The use of carbon reduces the amount of uranium needed to operate.

42 posted on 07/28/2021 12:47:47 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: dynachrome

I wonder what they are going to do about the buildup of U232 daughter products.
Probably ignore it until they have a real problem about 5 years down the road.


43 posted on 07/28/2021 12:48:08 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: rlmorel

The biggest problem is decay products from U232 which is generated along with U233.
Ti208 and Pb207 are heavy gamma emitters and tend to build up.
This is the key reason U233 was never used for bombs.
The warhead would kill anyone doing maintenance on it.


44 posted on 07/28/2021 12:58:37 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: alloysteel

Nonpolluting... that is, until you have to decommission the reactor and the waste. For 10,000 years.


45 posted on 07/28/2021 12:58:43 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo
And Hiroshima still glows in the dark!


46 posted on 07/28/2021 1:02:31 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

IIRC, there weren’t very many survivors.


47 posted on 07/28/2021 1:04:50 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: dynachrome

Salt will rain down on us over here ,LOL


48 posted on 07/28/2021 1:06:31 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“We should have built one of these, and done it years ago.”

We did at Los Alamos if I’m not mistaken many moons ago and found it to be wanting: the military that is.


49 posted on 07/28/2021 1:13:43 PM PDT by LastDayz (A blunt and brazen Texan. I will not be assimilated.)
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To: Red Badger

Awesome! Best cartoon.


50 posted on 07/28/2021 1:34:39 PM PDT by Liaison (TANSTAAFL)
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To: dynachrome

I believe that they have a prototype that might be ready to start up.

I do not believe that they can be anywhere close to being ready to start building commercial LFTR’s any time soon.


51 posted on 07/28/2021 1:35:45 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Kevmo

Thorium reactors can be fed what is now considered high and medium level nuclear waste. By using what is now considered waste as feedstock the worlds nuclear waste load can be utilized. I see that as a good thing, too bad China not the U.S. seems to be leading here.


52 posted on 07/28/2021 2:26:39 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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To: dynachrome

Exactly. Good on China. Hate to say it, but good for them.


53 posted on 07/28/2021 2:31:23 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Kevmo

Survival rate probably around 60% to 70%.


54 posted on 07/28/2021 2:34:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Not until you get past 4,000 feet from center. Which means you have to go well past a mile to get 60% overall survival rate.

https://www.atomicarchive.com/resources/documents/med/med_chp10.html


55 posted on 07/28/2021 2:48:19 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo

A little update on thorium-fueled molten-salt reactors.

A thorium-fueled molten salt reactor is inherently much safer, and also cheaper to set up and run. The fuel, thorium, is both more plentiful and much safer to handle than uranium, and it is not capable of runaway “China syndrome” overheating and meltdown. And one of the more important advantages, it NEEDS a small amount of a “spent” uranium fuel rod to initiate and sustain a nuclear reaction in the molten salt solution, so eventually the stockpiles of “spent” uranium fuel rods will be used up. There is a small amount of atomic “ash” left over when thorium reactors are recharged, but its volume is both much smaller, and composed of relatively short-lived atomic isotopes, in contrast to the uranium fuel rods.


56 posted on 07/28/2021 3:32:26 PM PDT by alloysteel ( Cows don't give milk. You have to work for it.)
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To: alloysteel

Cool. 😎


57 posted on 07/28/2021 3:50:27 PM PDT by Kevmo (Right now there are 500 political prisoners in Washington, DC.)
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To: Kevmo

Your own reference shows a roughly 75% survival rate.

Per your assertion in Post 11, we should expect that area to be a radioactive wasteland for another 10000 years.


58 posted on 07/28/2021 4:56:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dynachrome

17 Y.O. Boy Scout Built A Nuclear Reactor In His Mom’s Backyard 20 Years Ago That Made The Neighborhood Radioactive.

https://www.boredpanda.com/story-radioactive-boy-scout-david-hahn/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic


59 posted on 07/28/2021 4:59:03 PM PDT by IAGeezer912 (One out of every 20 people on the face of the earth are Americans. We have won life's lottery.)
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To: Bayard

Because unlike the Chinese, we have these pesky little things known as “safety protocols” and “worker safeguards”.

Life is cheap to commies. Lose a worker or 5? No problem! We’ve got plenty more where that came from. What about the dead workers families? Who cares!

CC


60 posted on 07/28/2021 4:59:45 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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