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Who Are These COVID-19 Vaccine Skeptics and What Do They Believe?
Epoch Times ^ | 10/21/2021 | Patricia Adams and Lawrence Solomon

Posted on 10/21/2021 9:12:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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21 posted on 10/21/2021 9:55:56 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: volunbeer

Mink and white-tail deer carry the virus. Will we search every river bank for mink and every forest for deer to vaccinate? Impossible.

Therefore it is now endemic and we will see new variants. Until we say no it’s masks and jabs forever.


22 posted on 10/21/2021 9:57:03 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: TnTnTn
C’mon man…the current crop of vaccines are NOT effective or safe…look at the data that slips out Time to "enjoy" a bit of sarcasm about the way Democrats/Communists think out here in California:

What the hell are you talking about?

Just because none of these experimental vaccines prevents contracting the disease they are supposed to prevent you from getting; and just because none of these experimental vaccines prevents spreading the disease they are supposed to stop from spreading; and just because all of these experimental vaccines have caused serious side effects that can make a person sick, crippled, blood-clotted, heart-damaged and even dead are simply not good enough reasons to fear getting the needle ........ you ignorant moron!

You idiot! Don't you realize that our beloved politicians, unelected bureaucrats and medical "experts" are using all their self-anointed power to force you to get the needle are doing so for your own good; they really, really, really care about you and want so much to protect you ... from yourself as much as from the Fauci Flu.

You must learn to trust them, to accept what they say at face value, never to question their superior intellect and their unselfish wisdom ....... you ungrateful cretin!


23 posted on 10/21/2021 10:03:28 AM PDT by glennaro (Although I don't believe there are big conspiracies, neither do I believe there are big coincidences)
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To: SeekAndFind
Thanks for posting this. It pays to read more than the title and first sentence before judging a article.

This is a defense of those accused of being anti-vax, not a attack on them.

24 posted on 10/21/2021 10:09:46 AM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: SeekAndFind

Bkmk


25 posted on 10/21/2021 10:11:17 AM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and fools who can not govern. " Chesterton)
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To: SeekAndFind

What I believe is simple: COVID-19 is not bad enough to justify the levels of hysteria and coercion we are seeing.

At this point I have reached the following conclusions:
1. The severity of COVIC-19 does not justify the response I am seeing.
2. Alternate treatments that proved effective elsewhere are being suppressed.
3. Organizations that we should be able to trust are, for some reason, lying to us.
4. Public health responses such masking and lockdowns are mostly useless.
5. The degree of coercion behind the notavax is, again, not justified by the severity of the disease.

And that is why I am a ‘Vaccine’ Skeptic.


26 posted on 10/21/2021 10:14:46 AM PDT by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: TnTnTn

Canadian data:

“Up to and including October 8, 2021, a total of 196 reports with an outcome of death were reported following vaccination. Although these deaths occurred after being vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine, they are not necessarily related to the vaccine. Based on the medical case review using the WHO-UMC causality assessment categories, it has been determined that:
74 of these deaths are unlikely linked to a COVID-19 vaccine
76 deaths could not be assessed due to insufficient information
40 deaths are still under investigation
6 deaths followed a diagnosis of TTS”

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/

Those 6 deaths allegedly are associated with the AstraZeneca vaccine not used in the US.

Canada has about 28 million people “fully vaccinated’.


27 posted on 10/21/2021 10:15:23 AM PDT by Brian Griffin ( )
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To: poinq
they get very angry. They won’t hear it. Its quite an odd phenomenon.

I am very good at listening carefully to the pro vaxx folks out there in the real world. I am beginning to understand them.

The massive propaganda effort has reached deep into their subconscious mind and convinced them (at that level) that vaccines will make them immortal.

That is what "safe" really means. That is what "protection" really means.

Anyone who argues against these "miracle vaccines" is denying that they will be immortal.

That is where the anger comes from...
28 posted on 10/21/2021 10:16:54 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Widget Jr; SeekAndFind

Read every word. Excellent piece for those that are curious about the “anti”.


29 posted on 10/21/2021 10:18:01 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Safrguns

Not at all. More of a hit piece on those who want to deny what they vaccine skeptics are saying.


30 posted on 10/21/2021 10:19:26 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: SeekAndFind
Vaccine skeptics, vaccine refusers, vaccine deniers—these anti-vaxxers are scourges whose ignorance and misinformation are responsible for countless COVID-19 deaths, our public health authorities attest. Stamping their message out is so important that those with the biggest megaphones are being outed, threatened, and fired from their academic and medical posts, and wherever else they might be found.

That's helpful, makes me want to run right out and grab a shot. What do they think their rants help or do? It gets those in agreement to nod along approvingly, nothing more. This only antagonizes.

31 posted on 10/21/2021 10:21:40 AM PDT by Irenic ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not a vaccine. It’s an experimental messengerRNA gene therapy sequence using millions of people as beta testers. It neither prevents the spread of the virus nor stops u from getting it. At best it’s a treatment.


32 posted on 10/21/2021 10:22:21 AM PDT by Kevmo (I’m immune from Covid since I don’t watch TV.🤗)
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To: poinq; cuban leaf

Posted by cuban leaf a few days ago:

A twist on an Abbot and Costello routine to expose a different kind of lunacy:
Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Yes.’
Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
Bud: ‘Ok.’
Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
Bud: ‘That’s right.’
Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Certainly.’
Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
Bud: ‘I know.’
Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
Bud: ‘Correct.’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
Bud: ‘Third base.’
27 posted on 10/16/2021, 2:39:15 PM by cuban leaf


33 posted on 10/21/2021 10:27:50 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty. Don't forget his cohort)
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To: poinq

I’ve had that conversation many times. They are cement heads and can’t follow logic. Also they have no curiosity or feel any obligation to research this tech/disease.

They say I’m getting misinformation from the internet. I list the studies, doctor’s experiences, data from other countries and personal statements. Then I ask them, “as opposed to your sources? Don Lemon, Cher and the Alyssa Milano?

I joke about taking the jab as an international IQ test. Perhaps it is just that.


34 posted on 10/21/2021 10:28:20 AM PDT by mom.mom (...our flag was still there.)
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To: Robert DeLong

>>> Not at all. More of a hit piece on those who want to deny what they vaccine skeptics are saying.

Well, thats good to hear.

I was pretty sure they were on the anti-vax side of things.


35 posted on 10/21/2021 10:35:17 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: MarMema

That was dumb from an intelligent man…


36 posted on 10/21/2021 10:36:29 AM PDT by TnTnTn
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To: cgbg

In my experience, the strongest emotion that I’ve seen has been fear. At work, the most fearful, from the beginning, have tended to be the younger people, especially the women. It has been more contagious than the virus.

It’s a classic example of mass hysteria.

The men discussed in this Epoch Times piece are all serious, thoughtful people, who raise serious, fact-based objections. The problem is that they’re trying to use logic, which has exactly zero chance of changing their critic’s minds, because they didn’t arrive at their positions though logic. They started with the fear, and worked backwards into creating a reasoned framework to support their positions.

That doesn’t make Malone and the rest right, but they should at least be listened to.


37 posted on 10/21/2021 10:40:35 AM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Safrguns
I don't even like calling those who refuse to take these shots anti-vaxxers, because they are not really vaccines in my eyes.

The following sentence, which was the next to the last line posted should have clued you in, but then we all miss things at times. 🙂:

The hard sell and sweeping claims have been coming from the public health officials, most of whom have far fewer scientific accomplishments, and are far less knowledgeable, than the vaccine skeptics they cavalierly dismiss.

38 posted on 10/21/2021 10:42:23 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: MarMema
Ironic that Malone got long covid syndrome from covid. Then, to try to get well, he got both moderna vaccines.

I don't see any irony here. Malone stated (on a podcast with Bret Weinstein) that he was compelled to get the vaccinations because he had to travel overseas.

39 posted on 10/21/2021 10:47:11 AM PDT by Blennos ( )
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To: absalom01
the strongest emotion that I’ve seen has been fear

Fair point--but fear of _what_ exactly.

What we are talking about is fear of death.

The pro-vaxxers have this fear removed by the vaxxes.

That means they must think (at a deep level) that the vaxx makes them immortal.

Successful brainwashing will not work with just sticks--there has to be a carrot!
40 posted on 10/21/2021 10:51:36 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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