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Custody argument results in Texas man being shot to death, lawyer claims it was self-defense
FOX ^ | 11/30/2021 | Pilar Arias

Posted on 11/30/2021 11:59:52 AM PST by Phoenix8

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To: Manic_Episode

Yeah, and Pee Wee will blow the head off the hairy biker who thinks its license to push people around.

You do you, I’ll sleep fine knowing I warned you what you might bump into.


61 posted on 11/30/2021 5:32:14 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up....)
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To: Ikeon

If I were the prosecutor, I’d look closely at the possibility that she planned it.

And if I found sufficient evidence, I’d prosecute the highest charge, and seek the maximum penalty on any conviction.

The maximum penalty appears to be death for murder for hire.


62 posted on 11/30/2021 6:19:36 PM PST by sitetest (Professional patient. No longer mostly dead. Again. It's getting to be a habit.)
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To: DesertRhino

Aside from the armed variety of Peewee Hermans my best buddy is 5’6 140 and is the toughest meanest guy I know. He was an easy target in school and over compensated. Holy crap did he compensate. His last fight was a dozen years ago with 2 drunk guys. It lasted less than 1 second. Statute of limitations might not be quite expired on that one.


63 posted on 11/30/2021 6:57:51 PM PST by Manic_Episode (A government of the government, by the government, for the government)
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To: Phoenix8

Guys goes in to get a gun, he actually escalates the situation, when you provoke the situation, going in to get a gun, even though you have not been threatened physically, much less physically assaulted...the only threat is to be sued, only to be sued, you lose your self defense case.

2nd degree murder. Easy call.


64 posted on 11/30/2021 8:08:28 PM PST by vespa300
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To: Phoenix8

Assuming it is the shooters property- in Texas a jury could go either way in a case like this (regardless of what the law says Texans and especially those in West Texas really believe in Property rights). I wouldn’t be surprised by a hung jury. I don’t think the DA will even try for anything more than manslaughter (unless he tries to use a murder charge to plea down to manslaughter). However I would never bet money (or my life) on what a DA will or won’t do.

Interestingly if the shooter had waited a second or two, the shooter may have starred to advance toward him and he would have a much easier time justifying self defense.

The smart choice would be to have the mom go in the house, set up just inside the front door and wait for the cops. Then if the dad even tried to get in- obvious self defense.

As for this being a set up- don’t know - but it will be looked into. There was an incident in my neck of the woods a few years back. It wasn’t a set up, but the police gathered phones and records to see if an ex was “invited” to a current boyfriend’s house.

If it was a setup the dad played right into it.


65 posted on 11/30/2021 8:36:43 PM PST by rmichaelj (Ave Maria gratia plena, Dominus tecum.)
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To: DesertRhino

I would expect the shooter will go free and that the local DA won’t try too hard or spend much time on this case...since it is Lubbock, afterall.(according to reputation anyway).


66 posted on 11/30/2021 9:58:27 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Having the Conch shell is no longer recognized by Dem "Flies" as giving one authority to speak.)
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To: taxcontrol
its not clear cut....the bigger guy was ranting and ranting and thrust himself chest to chest into the smaller guy, and he was threatening....

lesson to be learned....just because you have a gun, doesn't mean you should be grabbing and using it....one moment you think you're just showing strength and the next moment you've shot someone.

67 posted on 11/30/2021 10:04:56 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

Well, I was taught that if a home owner, pulls out a gun, orders you off of his property, AND fires a warning shot .... it is PAST time to leave.


68 posted on 12/01/2021 5:41:52 AM PST by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: sitetest

Hmmmm? That could have been her plan but, it would be hard to prove she wanted him killed. Instead She planned on the 2 confronting each other so she could get her jollys. What’s the charge for setting 2 people up for a confrontation? Volentary or involuntary Manslaughter?


69 posted on 12/01/2021 5:57:26 AM PST by Ikeon (If she's wearing too much make up, it's probably to hide too much ugly)
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To: Ikeon

No charges appropriate, says a Special Grand Jury of their peers. Legitimate self defense. Justice is served, just as I said at the time.


70 posted on 04/05/2022 3:45:31 PM PDT by SharpenedEdge (Stockpile. Prepare. Arm. Train. A Storm is coming.)
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To: SharpenedEdge
Now that his name is cleared, he hopes to move on with his life. His business is in the toilet, the kids now hate mom and her boyfriend. He also has 2 lawsuits filed by Chad Reads widow. He got the life he shot for.. but I don't think its the life he thought he would wind up with.

YAY - You win, you were right, Now, the mans life is worth less than a week old pile of dried chihuahua poop. but his name has been cleared.

71 posted on 04/05/2022 4:20:20 PM PDT by Ikeon (The truth wont dent a persons argument who wants to believe a lie)
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To: Ikeon

Whole lot of assumptions there. And an important legal precedent has been reaffirmed. Self-defense is a RIGHT.


72 posted on 04/05/2022 4:46:22 PM PDT by SharpenedEdge (Stockpile. Prepare. Arm. Train. A Storm is coming.)
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To: SharpenedEdge

God bless Texas.


73 posted on 04/05/2022 4:47:17 PM PDT by SharpenedEdge (Stockpile. Prepare. Arm. Train. A Storm is coming.)
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