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A reminder that credentials do not always equal intelligence: Is it worth going into debt for $360,000 to get a Ph.D.?
American Thinker ^ | 12/06/2021 | Andrea Widburg

Posted on 12/06/2021 7:46:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: proxy_user

That is true for other programs as well.
If you are in engineering or computer science and paying for a PhD you are doing something terribly wrong.


21 posted on 12/06/2021 8:04:35 AM PST by sipow
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To: SeekAndFind

Due to the nature of my position, I am often encouraged to pursue my Ph.D. I got my master’s with a combination of program grants, employer tuition benefits and weekend overnight babysitting/house sitting while working full time.

The ROI on a Ph.D. stopped being worth it when I was 35 even if I had the above financial help.


22 posted on 12/06/2021 8:05:18 AM PST by PrincessB
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To: packagingguy

Exactly.

At some point in the process you become the valuable commodity, not the degree. And if that isn’t the direction things are going, then something is very wrong and you need to figure out what that is or change direction.


23 posted on 12/06/2021 8:07:18 AM PST by sipow
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s a tip. If you’re paying tuition to get a PhD, the PhD ain’t worth jack.


24 posted on 12/06/2021 8:08:38 AM PST by glorgau
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To: SeekAndFind

Humanities and social sciences advanced degrees have reached the point of pure financial transaction.

The school and its bloated administration NEED the money. You borrow the money, pay them, and they give you a useless piece of paper.


25 posted on 12/06/2021 8:10:31 AM PST by PGR88
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To: sipow

Sounds like she really wanted the status achievement rather than the love of teaching. Borderline criminal what tuition costs but over the line stupid that she went into such deep debt saddled with at age 48 without the returns expected.


26 posted on 12/06/2021 8:11:57 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny )
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To: SeekAndFind

“Stupid is supposed to hurt.” Lurker’s Granddad.

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27 posted on 12/06/2021 8:11:59 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: packagingguy

Same with one of my kids, who got tuition plus stipend in exchange for working on research and teaching undergrads.

We should abolish student loans for grad degrees. If you are not good enough that the school wants to pay you to come, then you are unlikely to be in demand once you finish the degree.


28 posted on 12/06/2021 8:18:09 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: eastexsteve

A reminder that credentials do not always equal intelligence
But, in some organizations, they equal money.
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Trillions in build back bankruptcy sjw “ human infrastructure” money.


29 posted on 12/06/2021 8:22:01 AM PST by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: SeekAndFind

Depends on what one wants to do. It’s a must if you want to go into academia

A masters is usually enough for most anything else


30 posted on 12/06/2021 8:22:09 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SeekAndFind

That too


31 posted on 12/06/2021 8:23:17 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SeekAndFind

Before receiving a nickel, students should be required to pass a rigorous test about the economics of student loans.


32 posted on 12/06/2021 8:26:25 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: SeekAndFind
She apparently lived the life of an academic and her debt would include her living expenses. Her choice. Do not expect the US taxpayers to pick up the tab. The commie dems are attempting to include student loan govt payoffs in their ongoing trillions of dollars of theft from the US treasury. I have no pity for this knowingly incurred debt by a grown person. Truly smart persons do not scam the system, and truly responsible Academia does not scam students or the US taxpayer.
33 posted on 12/06/2021 8:26:50 AM PST by mountainfolk
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To: tflabo

Unfortunately a lot of academic institutions push sales as heavily as a used car salesman nowadays.

I had a friend who had an undergraduate degree in finance from a good school. She applied to a different school to get into a masters in accounting program. They first told her she would need to go back and do some accounting undergraduate courses. Then suggested she do a second bachelor’s in accounting first. Then pushed that she could only guarantee automatic acceptance into that program by getting an Associates degree from them first.

So she came wanting (and qualified) to enter their Master’s program and they were trying to get her to add on an AA and BA degree first.

She went somewhere else.


34 posted on 12/06/2021 8:32:12 AM PST by sipow
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Clear thinking and writing well are in short supply.

I hope there is a better opportunity for him that doesn’t involve rubbing elbows with Marxists all day long.


35 posted on 12/06/2021 9:39:58 AM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

The answer to the subject question is clearly, no, it is not. I for one, am teaching my children the utter stupidity of that course of action.


36 posted on 12/06/2021 9:50:09 AM PST by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No legitimate university should ever be willing to hire someone that dumb.


37 posted on 12/06/2021 10:13:15 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Capitalism is what happens when you leave people alone.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think the snob appeal factor is strong in this one. She obviously thinks she is special enough to have the average middle class American take over her debt so she doesn’t have to.


38 posted on 12/06/2021 10:15:28 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Signalman

My 21 year old son is a short haul trucker. He should earn $60 K this year.


39 posted on 12/06/2021 10:21:30 AM PST by cyclotic (I won't give up my FREEDOM for your FEAR)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is another stupid tale of someone getting in debt over what most likely is a worthless field, like trans studies with a minor in fisting.


40 posted on 12/06/2021 10:47:36 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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