Posted on 02/11/2022 2:21:15 PM PST by dynachrome
“For all the talk of Russian apologism, are you a Ukraininan propagandist?”
Not at all. I think Ukraine is a corrupt basket case. I do not want Ukraine in NATO. Nor would I want to see it returned to Russia. If Putin gets Ukraine, then Moldova is next (remember, Putin is on record stating that he wants to reconstitute all the former Soviet republics back “into” Russia). Ideally, Ukraine in its entirety would remain independent and neutral (i.e., as it was before 2014, when your Motherland forcibly annexed Crimea). But, Russia could not and cannot abide that. In any event, it is not our fight.
“What Russian passport holders are on the Ukrainian controlled territory?”
Just google “Russian Passports Ukraine,” there are scores of articles linked there re: this subject. BTW: Russia issuing its passports to Ukrainians of whatever persuasion is a prelude to annexation, not unlike Germany did vis-à-vis the Sudetenland in 1938.
You are still avoiding my question: Do you work for TASS?
How is the issuing of Russian passports in rebel-controlled areas related to stopping the elections in the Ukrainian-controlled areas?
“How is the issuing of Russian passports in rebel-controlled areas related to stopping the elections in the Ukrainian-controlled areas?”
Say what? Please identify any comment of mine that said anything about stopping elections in Ukraine. You’re just making shit up as you flounder.
Who flounders? I said there are no elections in the Ukrainian-controlled areas of Donbas. You said it is okay because there are Russian passport-holders, which is false.
“Who flounders? I said there are no elections in the Ukrainian-controlled areas of Donbas. You said it is okay because there are Russian passport-holders, which is false.”
Non sequitur. Ukrainians with Russian passports were to vote in RUSSIAN elections, as I had mentioned previously.
You said there are no elections in the Ukrainian-controlled areas of Donbas. But, of course, there are. As a corollary to that, I call your attention to the following comment from Atlantic Council, dated 13 August 2020: “For obvious reasons, local elections cannot take place in the RUSSIAN-OCCUPIED (emphasis is mine) parts of eastern Ukraine. Moscow continues to call for a vote in the KREMLIN-CONTROLLED (emphasis is mine) areas of the Donbas region prior to de-occupation, but Kyiv has sensibly ruled out any elections until UKRAINIAN CONTROL (again, emphasis is mine) is reestablished.”
Now, the “frontline” areas — meaning those areas that are within the “fluid” or “evolving” areas between opposing Ukrainian and Russian forces — would fall under the MCA. And, while perhaps not ideal, it is intended to restrict — or at least limit — Russian involvement in the electoral processes of those areas.
DPR and LPR seceded from Ukraine, with Russian encouragement and support. DPR and LPR have elected their own “governments” and declared comity with Russia. No international body recognizes or accepts this as legitimate (though, of course, Russia does).
I assume you applaud Russia’s forceful annexation of Ukrainian Crimea in 2014. Again, no international body recognizes or accepts that annexation.
Again, you have not answered my question, as posed several times: Do you work for TASS?
Atlantic Counsil?:) LOL, now I get it. Okay, it makes no sense to argue when you are choosing to believe lies.
BTW, Minsk agreements say that the elections are prior to Ukrainian control of the area, with proper international monitoring.
And no, the Ukrainain-controlled areas of Donbas aren’t allowed to vote in the Ukrainian elections. Nor would be allowed the residence of Donbas for the “interim period” upon the return of control, according to the Ukrainian plan.
Just because you disagree with something does not mean that something is a lie.
Show me something — other than your pratting — that proves your position that Ukrainian-controlled areas of Donbas are denied the vote. I’ve already pointed out the MCA issue. Cite something other than TASS (and I’ve read various TASS “reports” on the Ukrainian issue) or RT.
So, you do work for TASS, don’t you? I thought so. Man up, and admit it.
https://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20200814/1028555835.html
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4449139
https://vesti.ua/strana/v-2020-godu-donbass-ostanetsya-bez-vyborov-pochemu-tak-proizoshlo
Why should I answer troll questions?
ALL Russian organs. Every last one.
Again, man up and admit you work for TASS.
They are factual reporting. Tell me why other sources do not report it, but you know the answer.
Give me links to other sources proving otherwise if you disagree.
Or do you hint that something which is not reported doesn’t exist?
Nice try.
You wrap yourself in fallacies, which is something the Soviets ALWAYS did (not hard to do with a captive press). You long so deeply for the return of the USSR’s “glory days” that you have become blinded. What was your party number, tovarishch?
The fallacies are all yours so far.
You made false claims that the sources I provided are fake, but can’t produce a thing proving otherwise and engage in a personal attack instead.
What is it?
Would you claim that there is freedom of the press in Ukraine as well?
Are reports of extrajudicial bans on independent TV channels and opposition parties a “TASS propaganda” as well?:)
Man up, tovarishch, and admit you work for TASS.
BTW: Do you remember Vladimir Komarov? I do; everyone in my unit knew who he was. Our unit listened to him rage against Soviet engineering as he burned to a crisp in re-entry. TASS, of course, said he was complimentary of Soviet engineering but died on impact when the chute on his craft got tangled and failed to fully deploy. Yeah, we listened to all your stuff, and that was more than 50 years ago.
How is the weather at your dacha?
What was it about? How is it related to the topic?
“What was it about? How is it related to the topic?”
It’s about TASS, your employer, being nothing but lies and propaganda.
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