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Document confirms US told Russia NATO won’t expand
Aletho News ^ | 2/18/2022 | RT

Posted on 02/18/2022 7:08:29 PM PST by Beave Meister

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To: Beave Meister

We made it clear to the Soviet Union, that NO LONGER EXISTS!!!

all... bets... are... off...


21 posted on 02/18/2022 7:40:31 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Beave Meister

Was that before or after the soviet union dissolved?


22 posted on 02/18/2022 7:41:27 PM PST by CJ Wolf ( what is scarier than offensive words? Not being able to say them. )
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To: Vermont Lt

>>>>Remember, one of the reasons for NATO is to make sure we don’t have another Germany wanting to take over Europe. We broke the cycle. No one wants that again.<<<<

Well, we were all for the EU, which is the polite name for the new kinder, gentler German Empire because we figured it was simply in the nature of Germany to dominate Europe and this was the nicest way to go about it. NATO is our handy power tool to let Germany know they might mostly get what they want in Europe, but only by our leave; we are the real superpower and still call the shots in important ways. Hence, we go to quite some lengths to “keep NATO relevant”.


23 posted on 02/18/2022 7:42:27 PM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: mac_truck

This “betrayal” of Russia makes no sense.

The conversations were part of working on the treaty to reunify Germany. It was signed by the USA, USSR, and other powers.

If the USSR thought the NATO pledge was crucial or important, why not put in text of the treaty?


24 posted on 02/18/2022 7:42:56 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: Chode

Hmta


25 posted on 02/18/2022 7:44:08 PM PST by CJ Wolf ( what is scarier than offensive words? Not being able to say them. )
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To: Captain Walker
It wouldn’t, but it’s ludicrous to see anyone today giving any weight to an “agreement” that isn’t written down anywhere.

Even Indian tribes on the Great Plains who had no written languages would have laughed at this.

26 posted on 02/18/2022 7:44:08 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Renfrew
Russia’s loss of control in its eastern regions is almost entirely a function of its declining population.

It’s sort of like why normal Americans don’t worry about losing control of Detroit or Gary, Indiana.

27 posted on 02/18/2022 7:46:25 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Beave Meister

Hillary Clinton used an unsecured server for State Department business. She sold access to the White House. She also backed the moving van up to the White House and absconded with government property when she and Bill left.


28 posted on 02/18/2022 7:50:09 PM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: CJ Wolf

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29 posted on 02/18/2022 7:54:23 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Alberta's Child
Even Indian tribes on the Great Plains who had no written languages would have laughed at this.

Only because they learned early on that all too often, the paleface spoke with a "forked tongue".

(As foreign to the Judeo-Christian tradition that their moral code may have been, they did take one's word seriously.)

30 posted on 02/18/2022 8:00:43 PM PST by Captain Walker ("If you think tough men are dangerous, wait until you see what weak men are capable of."- J Peterson)
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To: Alberta's Child

Good point, but the big difference is there are not 1.5 billion Canadians desperate for land and resources across the Detroit River.

A Russian diplomat once confessed that in the next 50 years Russia would lose Siberia to a China. He said that would be a bad day for Russia, but it would be a worse one for the USA.

He is right: China with Siberia would become a hegemonic power.

It’s why this Ukraine nonsense is a shame. Russia should be working with the West to protect against China.


31 posted on 02/18/2022 8:07:05 PM PST by Renfrew
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To: CJ Wolf

The Soviet Union dissolved on December 26, 1991, and this took place on March 6, 1991. So no, it was still the USSR...


32 posted on 02/18/2022 8:19:02 PM PST by Beave Meister (Leave the gun. Take the cannoli....)
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To: Captain Walker
And yet the tribes with written agreements have more leverage even today than those that don’t have them.

One of the landmark U.S. Supreme Court rulings in 2019 was in a hunting case involving a Crow Indian who claimed the state of Wyoming could not legally restrict him from hunting on public land. Justice Gorsuch sided with the four liberals on the court and ruled in his favor. He wrote the majority opinion, and based his decision on the language of the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868.

33 posted on 02/18/2022 8:22:16 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Mr. Potato Head ... Mr. Potato Head! Back doors are not secrets.")
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To: Renfrew

From a Russian perspective, China is a distant potential threat, whereas the West is an immediate and present threat.
I don’t see China forward-deploying troops towards Russia, supporting insurgency and treasonous elements to subvert the Russian political system, and imposing economic measures to impoverish Russia. The West does it for 30 years.


34 posted on 02/18/2022 9:48:40 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: Mr. Mojo

in 1991, NATO should have been replaced with security arrangement with UK, France, USA and Germany. That’s all

Including so many countries, with so many trip-wires, that no on can practically defend, is asinine.


35 posted on 02/18/2022 9:56:39 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Chode; CJ Wolf
So you both agree Russia can put missiles back into Cuba, because it was the USSR who agreed to pull them out?

You are freakin’ insane.

36 posted on 02/18/2022 10:02:39 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

read the last two sentences, in point-2, in post#11

that is the out.


37 posted on 02/18/2022 10:05:30 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

So you agree Russia can put missiles into Cuba, because we previously made the agreement to take them out of Cuba with the USSR?


38 posted on 02/18/2022 10:36:56 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
So you agree Russia can put missiles into Cuba, because we previously made the agreement to take them out of Cuba with the USSR?

Like how Russia ALREADY put nuclear weapons in Kalingrad, right on the border with Poland and Lithuania?

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-says-it-will-put-its-missiles-where-ever-after-kaliningrad-row-2018-2

And then they said, "we can put missiles where ever we want!"

But we're supposed to cry for Russia when we have NOT placed any such missiles or even missile defenses or any sort of military presence that could be a threat to Russia in any of these countries?

39 posted on 02/18/2022 10:44:12 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

We have already made the overtures to put nuclear missiles into Poland:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/debate-to-relocate-us-nuclear-weapons-to-poland-irks-russia/


40 posted on 02/18/2022 10:48:48 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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