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Rand Paul: "I think what is important for people to understand is, there is NO JUSTIFICATION for Putin invading another country – for the war in Ukraine. But there is an EXPLANATION”
OAN ^ | Apr 27, 2022 | Charles Herring

Posted on 04/27/2022 4:08:55 PM PDT by RandFan

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To: algore

[So Not even close to what really happened, but you know that

Would you post that was never any Biden or Eu involvement either?]


What happened was Russia invaded Ukraine and no one else did.


21 posted on 04/27/2022 5:43:24 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Using your retarded logic, England should be german lands too. I asked a question yesterday, you patrician ponce,about how many wars Britain fought expanding it’s empire. Have you sent your resume to the department of truth to be headed by a ukrainian regime ass kisser like yourself. You’d fit right in


22 posted on 04/27/2022 5:48:25 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: Long Jon No Silver

[I asked a question yesterday, you patrician ponce,about how many wars Britain fought expanding it’s empire.]


That empire is long gone, and the Union Jack a historical artifact in those lands. Whereas the Russian empire is mostly intact, but the land hunger in a place that has done so little with its sprawling conquests appears largely unsated.

Again - Russia is 70% the size of the NATO countries *combined* and 4x the size of the EU *combined*. It could move its capital and vital industries 2800 miles east, far away from the nearest boundary with NATO, and still have 2800 miles left before it hits the Pacific. Russia’s not threatened by NATO - it keeps its vital cities where they are so it can more easily invade NATO territory.


23 posted on 04/27/2022 6:01:01 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: RandFan

It’s been over 20 years and I still haven’t figured out why we bombed the crap out of the civilians in Belgrade for 78 day, supposedly over Kosovo.

Perhaps when it’s finally disclosed I’ll be able to think we’re not into double-standards for Russia.


24 posted on 04/27/2022 6:07:24 PM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: RandFan

How about letting the continent on which it is being fought decide the issue?

This is a European issue. We need to stand with our treaties, but Ukraine is a money laundering haven for the left.

Trump tried to stop it and got impeached.

Russia is doing expansion, did it in Georgia and Kazakhstan and Crimea, and Biden didn’t give a damn. Suddenly his son Hunter’s money train in Ukraine is threatened and our grandkids have to pay for it?

No thanks.

Like Rand says, invasions on sovereign nations are bad (let the reader understand) but since when is this John Q Voter’s fight?

And I hope for peace all around.


25 posted on 04/27/2022 6:10:55 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Zhang Fei

You waxed lyrical about russian expansion by the point of a sword and the time frame was within Britain’s imperialist expansion. Not to mention Spain’s. Yet you seem obsessed about Russian expansion during the period. Their expansion was no different to Britain or spain’s or any other colonialist power. Siberia is full of natives just like the other colonialist power came across. Any other non Russians are the same. They are now part of modern Russia.


26 posted on 04/27/2022 6:12:04 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: BobL

Albright hag


27 posted on 04/27/2022 6:13:53 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: RandFan

Soros


28 posted on 04/27/2022 6:16:08 PM PDT by McGruff (Not our circus, not our moneys)
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To: Long Jon No Silver

“Albright hag”

Interesting how she died just when Russia used her severing of Serbia to justify doing the same in Ukraine.

Coincidence?


29 posted on 04/27/2022 6:25:32 PM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: BobL

What you said. 👍


30 posted on 04/27/2022 6:33:30 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy ("Man is the only pack animal that will follow an unstable leader." Cesar Chavez)
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To: RandFan

The whole idea of justice in international affairs is naive.


31 posted on 04/27/2022 6:41:51 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: BobL

Russia following Nato’s example and cutting out some of Ukraine to help those they see as the oppressed good guys.Good for the goose.Russian seperatists are Ukraine’s albanians. But we all know muslim separitists rate highly at the state department. Except Kurdish ones


32 posted on 04/27/2022 6:55:19 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: BobL

And some day I’ll learn to spell ‘separatist’ he he


33 posted on 04/27/2022 6:56:49 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: RandFan

Yeah, the explanation is this is yet another war over oil & gas reserves. We kicked Saddam back to Iraq when he invaded over oil, and we’ll kick Pootypoot back to Russia now that he has invaded over oil & gas. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4050958/posts

The Russians weren’t even interested in eastern Ukraine until oil was found there. Their interest is simply in raping that country. Russia gets 60% of its revenues from oil exports. Europe gets 40% of their oil from Russia.

In 2012 massive oil and gas reserves were found in Crimea. Crimea signed a $10 billion exploration contracts with Shell and Chevron to develop the new found oil and gas fields. These oil and gas products would compete in Europe with Russia’s oil and gas, reducing Russia’s oil revenues, which we recall amount to 60% of their total GDP. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, cancelling the contracts with Shell and Chevron.

But Ukraine still had massive reserves in, you guessed it, Donetsk and Luhansk, and other areas East of the Dnieper River. In 2019, Energy Secretary Rick Perry visited Ukraine, and soon after Ukraine awarded exploration contracts to a consortium of U.S. oil companies. Again, these oil reserves would compete in Europe with Russian oil, so Putin is invading Ukraine to shut down this latest attempt to extract Ukrainian oil and sell it in competition with Russian oil.

This explanation makes more sense to me than the “Putin feels threatened by NATO expansion” excuses for the invasion.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4044221/posts?page=1#1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CmdSzVFSKc

If the Ukes allow some small region in the west to be its own republic, but the OIL belongs to Ukraine, do ya think Pootypoot would allow that? Nope.


34 posted on 04/27/2022 7:04:33 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Long Jon No Silver

Punctuation seems to be a problem for you. Consult more with your trainers and work harder. There also needs to be a space between sentences. That’s totally on you, being lazy and s@@t in general.


35 posted on 04/27/2022 7:35:07 PM PDT by exinnj
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To: wny

Just what version of “Putin’s reasoning” is being understood or even agreed with? What Putin says about his reasoning is a poor guide to what is actually going on in his thinking. Thuggish autocrats are not generally known for truthfulness.


36 posted on 04/27/2022 8:08:30 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Kevmo

If Kosovo had oil would it be Serbia’s? You know, if Uncle Sam deems you a bad player, it does whatever it wants. Even get you your own little country if the bad player is bad to you ( unless your Kurd, than U.S will look the other way, as it does with Turkey, or assist but you won’t get a country recognised by the U.S out of it). Russia sees certain areas of Ukraine the same way Nato saw Kosovo albanians.


37 posted on 04/27/2022 8:33:12 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: Long Jon No Silver

If Kosovo had oil would it be Serbia’s?
***If the oil was found within Kosovo’s borders then it would belong to Kosovo. What is the issue here?

You know, if Uncle Sam deems you a bad player, it does whatever it wants.
***This is the standard bullshiite of might makes right.

Even get you your own little country if the bad player is bad to you
***Why not? Let the fillintheblanks have their own fillinthe blank country.

( unless your Kurd, than U.S will look the other way, as it does with Turkey, or assist but you won’t get a country recognised by the U.S out of it)
***(paranethetical expressions are shiite-poor writing, I’m not interested in side discussions)Take a writing class.

. Russia sees certain areas of Ukraine the same way Nato saw Kosovo albanians.
***Mexico sees America as Mexico. So the frack what? We didn’t sign away sovereignty nor borders to Mexico the way
Russia signed away sovereignty and borders to Ukraine under the Budapest Accession to the UN Nuclear Non Proliferation TREATY, the way Russia did. Why should we care how they see it now? They saw it another way back then so we go with that way in order to keep a lid on nuclear nonproliferation. Or is there a gigantic duhh avoidance factor in your vision?


38 posted on 04/27/2022 8:45:24 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

Since when have big powers bothered about borders when it’s in their interest to ignore them, like Serbia’s borders. Kosovo is like the Alamo to Texans. And yet ‘culturally sensitive’ U.S state department couldn’t care less. If it wants you independant, the bombs will fall anywhere on the planet, borders be damned


39 posted on 04/27/2022 9:06:22 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: RandFan

What article? There is no article at the link - its a pointer to an interview on OAN... requiring a subscription and/or a cable provider with it.


40 posted on 04/27/2022 9:13:47 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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