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When The Lies Come Home
The American Conservative ^ | June 17, 2022 | Douglas MacGregor

Posted on 06/18/2022 3:00:56 PM PDT by Cathi

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Putin says Minsk accords, which were meant to end war in eastern Ukraine, no longer exist

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Natalie Musumeci,John Haltiwanger
February 22, 2022
https://news.yahoo.com/putin-says-minsk-accords-were-175550929.html

[Excerpt:]

* Putin on Tuesday said that the Minsk accords “do not exist now.”

* The accords were ceasefire agreements meant to end fighting in eastern Ukraine.

* By recognizing separatist territories as independent, Putin effectively scrapped the accords.


21 posted on 06/18/2022 5:50:01 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Cathi

Previous (5 min) here:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4072156/posts

But the original is poorly posted, not real text displayed.


22 posted on 06/18/2022 6:04:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

Yes, that’s why his came first despite the fact that we were both working on it at the same time. Cut and paste takes time...:-) I checked first and I am sure he did, too.

But, I have been reading all the responses on both threads.


23 posted on 06/18/2022 6:18:39 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: ought-six

The truth can be brutal and easily dismissed.


24 posted on 06/18/2022 6:23:42 PM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: mosaicwolf

“The truth can be brutal and easily dismissed.”

That’s why, given a choice, I prefer fact over truth: Fact cannot be dismissed, only ignored.


25 posted on 06/18/2022 6:31:09 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Cathi

Not complaining. Just saying your’s was better posted. The other so brief it will draw less attention.


26 posted on 06/18/2022 7:58:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: ought-six

I like his ‘’illegal immigration’’ policy.


27 posted on 06/18/2022 11:18:12 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots. )
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To: ought-six

Yeah, I am growing skeptical of him.


28 posted on 06/19/2022 4:39:22 AM PDT by sauropod (It's too bad all the people who know how to run the country are busy cutting hair.)
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To: Lurker

Ditto your thoughts on the Russians.


29 posted on 06/19/2022 11:06:56 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Don't wish your enemy ill; plan it. )
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To: Cathi

Douglas MacGregor live-action role plays as an opponent of China, while constantly shilling for its allies Russia and Iran. Is this senility or bribery?


30 posted on 06/19/2022 10:17:21 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: rmlew

MacGregor is an excellent military analysist with total allegiance to the United States.. He provides his honest opinion based on his storied career. He was very valued by Trump.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don’t want honesty; they want to be comforted even if what they are hearing is untrue. Of course, the kind of analysts who are willing to do that for a big paycheck like General Keane are dangerous to America’s interest.

Keane has misled Fox viewers for 3 months now. Tucker Carlson chooses MacGregor instead for his program to report about Ukraine because he wants to hear the truth.


31 posted on 06/19/2022 11:27:14 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi

Are you suggesting that i post a list of McGregor lies ever time, Tucker lets him on?


32 posted on 06/19/2022 11:51:38 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: Cathi; pingman; Zhang Fei; The Old Hoosier; ought-six; Travis McGee; Lurker; Prince of Space; ...
Let's look at the map of the war

That don't look like a Ukrainian collapse -- looks like a Russian collapse

Russian advances are all in pink. Initially, Russia claimed most of the Ukrainian northern border. By April 24, Russia has lost nearly all of it.

33 posted on 06/20/2022 2:29:33 AM PDT by Cronos
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Patton had one of the world’s strongest armies at that time, and his side was getting stronger while the opposition was getting weaker.

The Russians started this war as hands-down “they’re going to win” - like the US basketball dream team of the 1990s facing off against a Manila high school team.

But the Russians lost. And lost badly.

However, the Ukrainians don’t have enough to attack further. They did a great job defending. Now they need artillery to push the Putinistas out of the Donbas


34 posted on 06/20/2022 2:31:44 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

It seems apparent that Russia is seeking to landlock Ukraine.


35 posted on 06/20/2022 12:34:10 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Cronos

These maps are good—but they don’t show what you think they show.

I leave it as an exercise for you to figure out what is actually happening here—it will take a little work, and the Western mass media propaganda is not going to help you at all.


36 posted on 06/20/2022 12:37:21 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: ought-six

Yes, but having lost the Slava/Moskva, Russia has no ability to invade Odessa


37 posted on 06/22/2022 1:38:25 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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“Yes, but having lost the Slava/Moskva, Russia has no ability to invade Odessa.”

Sure it does. It can just move west on the ground, along the coast, to assail Odessa. There are several land routes Russia Russia could employ given the time and the means, unless it is stopped before that.


38 posted on 06/22/2022 12:18:47 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six
Sure it does. It can just move west on the ground, along the coast, to assail Odessa. There are several land routes Russia Russia could employ given the time and the means, unless it is stopped before that.
Ukraine is pushing the Russians back in the Southwest.
39 posted on 06/26/2022 9:23:36 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: rmlew

“Ukraine is pushing the Russians back in the Southwest.”

I’m glad to hear that, if true. Russia needs to pack up and go back home. Its invasion of Ukraine was wholly unjustified. If China had invaded Russia under the same flimsy pretexts I’d be supporting Russia.


40 posted on 06/27/2022 7:11:33 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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