Classic Cars Are Greener Than Electric Vehicles: Study

yahoo.com ^ | June 23, 2022 | Steven Symes

[pburgh01]

I just got a 2022 Plugin Hybrid Volvo XC60. 460hp and over 550 ft\lbs of torque, 0-60 4.3 seconds, 13.5 second quarter mile. That's faster than most any musclecar from the 1960's maybe sans the 1968 Dodge Dart Hemi GTS. The thing gets 50mpg in hybrid mode. The good old days are not really the good old days when it comes to cars. Most anything pre 2000s is crap quality wise, with wheezing oil leaking engines, body gaps you could slip your hand in and cheap vinyl interiors. My Volvo pulls like a V-8 and offers leather heated seats a 600 watt stereo and about 20 other options and if the quality is like my last XC60, nothing but oil changes.

I did a pull the other night at 35 mph in power mode, left a 2015ish SS Camaro in the dust. The guy looked at me at the stoplight and smiled. Not your Mommy's SUV

[Bonemaker]

Yeah, it almost brings tears your eyes...when America was still America.

[TigersEye]

I don't care about CO2.

Sky-high hole blown in AGW theory?

"Forbes reports on a peer-reviewed study that uses NASA data to show that the effects of carbon-based warming have been significantly exaggerated. In fact, much of the heat goes out into space rather than stay trapped in the atmosphere, an outcome that started long before AGW alarmists predicted:"

[Chickensoup]

this is stupid,
classic cars are toys not workhorses they are not used for milage.

In other ways they are greener for they are able to be repaired

[heavy metal]

i restore them...

and build street rods and race cars...

business is good...

[Dr. Sivana]

The good old days are not really the good old days when it comes to cars.

I am glad you like your car. I never debated the speed, hp or torque of hybrids or EVs. I also do not question that a new car normally needs a LOT less maintenance than a classic.

That does not mean that the "good ol' days" aren't the good ol' days.

I would rather have a '94 Roadmaster Sedan (build quality was fine on those cars), or a '61 Imperial, a '65 Bonneville, or even a '67 four door Dart because it isn't just about horsepower or torque.

I like a big trunk that is out of sight and lockable so I don't have to lock the main cabin.

I like a full bench front seat in a four door, because it allowed my fiancee to snuggle up to me while I was driving, especially with a car with no shoulder belts.

I like leg room, hip room, head room. I like that the "compact" Dodge Dart has more of those then my supposed full-sized Avalon.

I like a Dart with only five fuses. Any car with no third brake light, CVT, catalytic converter, electric tank mounted fuel pump, an easily swapped water pump, computer chips. Those cars can and are kept going for many decades, while spidering will eventually do in the likely-irreplaceable electronic components in the newest cars.

I like cars that don't take recording of everything I do, or chirp at me because I drive slightly over the line to provide the house carrying truck in front of me a wide berth. I like a car that doesn't require a subscription to use the whole car.

I fear for the next iteration of safety features where the car may decide you are too drunk to drive when you were either having fun on an empty piece of road or taking evasive maneuvers.

I like full-sized trunk spare tires. Living room soft highway rides that don't seem to be available in many cars. I like a choice of colors in the interior that go beyond black and grey.

I like simple mechanical operations like foot pedal windshield washer fluid, hand crank windows that can be operated without the car being on, $5 mechanical keys for the ignition, little vent doors on the dash that open with a lever.

I like being able to understand the operation of the car, and any issues when it isn't operating properly. I like a car with character.

The good ol' days are different for different people.

[ten18]

Glad you enjoy your vehicle. Some of us have little use for over-tech’d nanny cars. We prefer the classics. Cars with souls. In 25 years, my 51 year old Camaro and Pontiac Lemans convertible will still be in service and appreciating, while today’s transportation appliances will have long ago been transformed into beer cans.

[liberalh8ter]

Does this mean I can justify the purchase of a 67 Camaro? Hot diggity!

[Boogieman]

Well, it’s from the UK for one, where they drive less just because it’s a fairly small island.

Also, not too many people use a classic for everyday commuting.

[cranked]

The good news folks is we transitioning tho.... /s

[motor_racer]

For later

[motor_racer]

For later

[TalBlack]

As I recall a 13.5 quarter mile wasn’t that great among the guys who drove heavy metal circa 1975. Streetcars not racers. I recall a six cylinder 64 or 65 Galaxy that ran mid 11s. People didn’t buy fast cars back then and leave them in dealer trim for very long. Dealer numbers were considered a good starting point.

[Paal Gulli]

Why not show a little initiative and post a link to the original story instead of the Yahoo rehash, giving Yahoo the traffic it doesn't merit in the doing?

[NWFree]

Battery cars are an environmental nightmare sponsored by libtards who love power more than common sense 🤪

I won’t miss owning one of those pieces of crap either

[Tacrolimus1mg]

My 4Runner is a GD tank. Come 2024, she’s an antique.

A lot of cars were, “crap”, but a lot were great, too. I couldn’t give two shiny sh!ts what you think about cars that aren’t yours. Goes to show how little you know about automotive history overall and how the Classics community feels about their cars - which they work on. You’ll never be able to repair anything yourself because electrics require tons of special permits (for dealers) and protection (for everyone). You wanna pay out the ass when it needs a new battery (which is generally recommended when it drops by 20% in efficiency - this happens quicker than you think), go for it. You have a problem with the computer that runs the whole thing? Pay for that, too. Bad sensor? Not a simple fix - you have an entire system to check.

Part of the experience is working on the car, either to upgrade it to your specs and make it custom like my husband did with his ‘87 fox body Mustang (bought as salvage, turned into a dragster) or my ‘85 Olds Delta 88 that I was restoring to stock.

You can’t be blamed for your ignorance though, I suppose.

[daniel1212]

Footman James mentions that in the UK a classic car on average is driven 1,200 miles a year and puts out 563 kg of CO2 as a result."

But the average vehicle in us is driven 1,200 miles per month, 14,263 miles a year Such false comparisons do not help.

[dgbrown]

I love being green.

[minnesota_bound]

But the materials to build electric vehicles keep children and slaves in other nations employed.

[dznutz]

You miss the point, older cars have a character that EV’s never will. You just can’t compare the two. I imagine your EV would beat most muscle cars, but does it really matter?

Good luck taking your EV on a cross country trip. The logistics involved for that trip would rival the planning of Operation Overlord/D-Day. Right now I can jump in my 64 Dodge and drive across the country, just throw a set of points, condenser, fan belt, ballast resistor, and some hand tools in the back seat, and with my 2.76 rear diff I’m good for highway cruising. And thanks to Biden, I can’t forget the credit card to fill-er up anywhere in the country.