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Private Purchasers Clean Up at Fort Worth Gun Buyback
AmmoLand ^ | July 1, 2022 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/05/2022 5:21:54 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

A $100 SKS or 10-22 is worth owning.


41 posted on 07/05/2022 8:19:13 AM PDT by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Vigilanteman

Run a quarter-inch drill bit about 0.5 inch into the barrel end. That should do it.


42 posted on 07/05/2022 8:27:33 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

the Dallas Police sold it to a criminal who used it to kill someone else.
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False premise. (Dallas) Police or any other police cannot sell or transfer to an individual without having an FFL and complying with all requirements. That would include a Form 4473, background check, local or state requirements, etc. They could transfer to an FFL the firearms received at a “turn in” or “buyback” but I think the idea is to cut them up for scrap metal.


43 posted on 07/05/2022 10:19:08 AM PDT by Skybird
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To: Gay State Conservative; marktwain; Skybird

“Hopefully each one was checked to see if they’re connected to any crimes...and were then officially certified to be free of any suspicion. Anyone who bought a weapon that *hadn’t* been researched and certified is a fool.” [Gay State Conservative, post 16]

“...imagine one of the guns involved *was* used in a murder and,never having tested it,the Dallas Police sold it to a criminal who used it to kill someone else. The City of Dallas could be sued big time for negligently having failed to take that weapon off the streets.” [Gay State Conservative, post 22]

“...(Dallas) Police or any other police cannot sell or transfer to an individual without having an FFL and complying with all requirements...They could transfer to an FFL...but I think the idea is to cut them up for scrap metal.” [Skybird, post 43]

Law enforcement organizations must comply with state and local law in disposing of firearms confiscated in the performance of official duties, or turned in by citizenry.

Often, there are requirements other than restrictions on who can receive such firearms.

Early on in the trend toward “buybacks,” cities in Connecticut, or Rhode Island or some other New England state, collected the pieces thus turned in and had them melted down immediately. Commentators pointed out that this was in direct contravention of state law, which stated that any firearm obtained by police in performance of investigations or enforcement actions had to be held, until it was traced by serial number and cross-checked against the list of guns that had been stolen, or suspected to have been used in a crime. Unsurprisingly, nothing ever came of it.

Many law enforcement agencies around the country used to sell their confiscated guns in large lots to dealers, who resold them (or their parts) in compliance with federal and local law, and in compliance with restrictions placed by the selling agencies. Some guns were resold as is, some had to be stripped of usable parts, after which the frame or receiver had to be destroyed.


44 posted on 07/05/2022 2:12:18 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: paulcissa; LouAvul; Manly Warrior

“29 gauge, huh? Bet that’s hard to find ammo...” [LouAvul, post 26]

“28ga with a barrel bulge...” [paulcissa, post 35]

A shotgun barrel of larger diameter, as created by a bulge, would actually be of a smaller gauge number.

“Gauge” refers to the number of spherical balls of a given diameter, that can be cast from a single pound of lead. Shotshells are mostly designated in this manner. Two exceptions: 410 bore, and 9mm Rimfire Shotshell (mostly a European item). 410 is often mistakenly called “410 gauge.” The number refers to the bore of the barrel in thousandths of an inch.

Many British publications have used the gauge number as a reference to relative bore size.


45 posted on 07/05/2022 2:30:10 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: marktwain

REF: your post number 38

Thanks for posting that large, clear image.

Other interesting pieces can be seen.

The slide-action shotgun atop the Winchester 12 isn’t a Remington 870. The latter has a straight line where the buttstock fits into the rear of the receiver.

Underneath this unidentified slide-action is what looks to be a Winchester 94 carbine, with the lever down and the bolt back.

The single-shot rifle beneath the Winchester 12’s forend looks like it might be a Winchester 67. Most Winchester single-shot rimfire rifles from the period (1930s-1960s) are ighly collectible today. Another single-shot Winchester 22 appears to be peeking out from under the shotguns piled atop and to the left of the Winchester 12.

The 22 rimfire autolaoding pistol at the near edge of the table, partly underneath the buttstock of the Winchester 12, appears to be a High Standard Model HB. One of the few early 22 autoloaders to challenge Colt’s Woodsman in accuracy; also highly collectible, even in the poor condition it seems.

Several break-top single-shot shotguns, possibly H&R Toppers, are poking out the pile in various locations. Not high-end guns, but strong and serviceable.


46 posted on 07/05/2022 3:09:34 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: marktwain

Appears the Ozarka water buyback was successful too.


47 posted on 07/05/2022 3:20:11 PM PDT by HonkyTonkMan ( )
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To: schurmann
The slide-action shotgun atop the Winchester 12 isn’t a Remington 870.

On further inspection, it appears to be a Winchester 1200, not a Remington 870.

48 posted on 07/05/2022 4:06:31 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Manly Warrior

28 gauge were the only shotgun shells on the shelf for about 8 months at Walmart in my neck of the woods.


49 posted on 07/05/2022 4:18:21 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: marktwain

“On further inspection, it appears to be a Winchester 1200, not a Remington 870.” [marktwain, post 48]

I’ll defer to you on visual ID. All I could ascertain was that it wasn’t an 870.

The stock/receiver joint does look like that on a 1200. Contours of the upper left edge of the forend appear to be a close match with those installed on fancier 1200s.

Lower-end and utilitarian versions of the 1300 do not look like the image. But some higher-end 1300s sport a much-larger “beavertail”-style forend, with upper edges like the one in the image.


50 posted on 07/06/2022 8:57:24 AM PDT by schurmann
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To: Gay State Conservative
Hopefully each one was checked to see if they’re connected to any crimes...and were then officially certified to be free of any suspicion. Anyone who bought a weapon that *hadn’t* been researched and certified is a fool.

Checked by who? Regular civilians don't have easy access to any fancy databases. To have a cop run it for you, almost every cop is going to want to have the firearm in physical possession to do so, and I highly doubt most of these people selling the guns will allow/wait for that, especially if they know it's stolen.

And what trouble do you think these guys buying them will get into? Most of these sellers likely aren't keeping receipts, so the legal trail if the popo is looking for the SN ends with them, if not earlier. And if it is stolen, there is no paperwork trail that leads to the seller, and therefore no reason the cops will come looking at the buyer. The only time you might get in "trouble" is if you get arrested/searched for some reason, and the cops happen to run the SN then. At which time you saved your copy of the receipt showing you bought it, you're not the one that stole it, so at worst they just confiscate the gun and you're out $150.
51 posted on 07/07/2022 8:08:14 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar
OK...the cops buy a gun from John Q Citizen. I was saying that it should have been checked *by the police* to make sure it wasn't connected to any crime.

And the trouble that one buying the gun from the police is that if it *had* been used in a crime before having been sold to the police the new owner could,conceivably,be charged at some point with the crime that had been committed with it *before* he/she bought it from the police.

That's why I was saying "I hope the cops made sure each weapon was 'clean" before passing them on to new owners.

52 posted on 07/07/2022 8:39:06 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Covid Is All About Mail In Ballots)
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To: Gay State Conservative
OK...the cops buy a gun from John Q Citizen. I was saying that it should have been checked *by the police* to make sure it wasn't connected to any crime.

And the trouble that one buying the gun from the police is that if it *had* been used in a crime before having been sold to the police the new owner could,conceivably,be charged at some point with the crime that had been committed with it *before* he/she bought it from the police.

That's why I was saying "I hope the cops made sure each weapon was 'clean" before passing them on to new owners.


When the cops acquire a firearm, they will run the serial number to see if the firearm has been reported stolen or is flagged for some reason. The only crimes this will usually solve is theft, where the owner kept a list of firearms/SNs. It's extremely unlikely to solve a homicide shooting - how would cops know the SN of a firearm used? Besides, they aren't run until later - the point of the "buy back" is the cops don't ask questions, so no one who turns in a hot gun is going to be arrested there.

None of these guns are going to be returned to the community - police departments destroy* these guns, unless they do show up as stolen. They don't turn around and resell them, otherwise, what was the point of the "buy back"? Besides, many of the ones turned in are likely crappy barely-functioning old ones that no one would pay $50 for.

*Fancy or decent ones they gyp some poor old lady out of, likely end up in some cop's personal collection on the way to the grinder.
53 posted on 07/07/2022 10:42:53 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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