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Justice Alito Concerned that Freeing Legally Innocent Man from Prison Would Clog Up the Federal Courts
lawandcrime.com ^ | November 1, 2022 | Elura Nanos

Posted on 11/02/2022 5:12:19 PM PDT by grundle

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1 posted on 11/02/2022 5:12:19 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Not a lawyer, but, if this report is accurate this seems to me to be faulty thinking and a disservice to those convicted. If a person is convicted under a premise of the law and that premise is false and not what the law as written intended then to cite the cost in time, effort, and manpower seems to me to be the antithesis of justice under law in the first place.


2 posted on 11/02/2022 5:22:59 PM PDT by ocrp1982
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To: grundle

In the US legal system, procedure trumps truth.


3 posted on 11/02/2022 5:23:22 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification. )
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To: grundle

Loath - not ‘loathe’ - in this context.


4 posted on 11/02/2022 5:25:42 PM PDT by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: grundle

Alito is WRONG.


5 posted on 11/02/2022 5:31:29 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Or maybe Alito’s leading question was to illicit this response which would seem to indicate that there would be no tsunami of paperwork if this specific case were overturned,…

Feigin responded that he was not concerned with overburdening the federal courts because, in his view, it is rare that a case would fall within the narrow parameters suggested by his position in Jones’ case. Feigin told Alito that Jones’ case constitutes “probably a category of one” in which “somebody is in prison for something that Congress never made a crime.”

6 posted on 11/02/2022 5:44:07 PM PDT by LVS1
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To: grumpygresh

As it should. Otherwise we will have everyone demanding procedural exemptions.


7 posted on 11/02/2022 5:47:40 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: grundle

Has this guy been in jail since 2000 for felon in possession? Murderers serve less time.


8 posted on 11/02/2022 5:48:29 PM PDT by pas
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To: LVS1

Elicit, not illicit.


9 posted on 11/02/2022 5:48:39 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: pas

Too bad. Law is law.


10 posted on 11/02/2022 5:48:56 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: grundle
I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

The Constitution forbids Congress from passing an ex post facto law, essentially making a formerly legal act illegal, and then charging a person for the illegal act that was committed before the new law was passed.

However, SCOTUS can, at some point in the future, interpret a law that makes a previously illegal act legal, and thereby create an ex post facto legality?

-PJ

11 posted on 11/02/2022 5:52:51 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: nwrep

Because US legal system values procedure over truth and facts, it’s become one of the worst in the world. A true joke nothing to be proud of.
As the US becomes a police state as evidenced by Jan 6, it will be much easier to lock people up based on their political views.
And because it’s the leftists that can only rule by destroying their opposition, conservatives and constitutionalist will be the ones going to prison.


12 posted on 11/02/2022 5:58:38 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification. )
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To: ocrp1982

I practice mostly federal criminal defense, in the 8th Circuit, and it’s absolutely the toughest Circuit to have any success at all on a criminal appeal, even with a very good argument. We always joke that we are waiting for a holding that says “although the video clearly showed that the arresting officers planted the evidence leading to the Defendant’s conviction, we don’t find that the Defendant was unduly prejudiced. Conviction AFFIRMED.” 😂😂😂


13 posted on 11/02/2022 6:04:25 PM PDT by gopno1
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To: nwrep

“Law is law”

Then the law is an ass.

Also, an unjust law is no law at all.


14 posted on 11/02/2022 6:09:15 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: nwrep

These people that will clog everything are innocent of a crime.


15 posted on 11/02/2022 6:19:44 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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Didn’t Criminal Justice Reform address this?


16 posted on 11/02/2022 6:26:16 PM PDT by TakebackGOP
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To: gopno1

“I practice mostly federal criminal defense, in the 8th Circuit, and it’s absolutely the toughest Circuit to have any success at all on a criminal appeal, even with a very good argument. We always joke that we are waiting for a holding that says “although the video clearly showed that the arresting officers planted the evidence leading to the Defendant’s conviction, we don’t find that the Defendant was unduly prejudiced. Conviction AFFIRMED.”
If what this report states is true, and what you state is also true it appears that True Justice Under Law in our country is dead. It does not exist.
So, I must ask did True Justice ever actually exist in our country? I have a feeling that it never did.
That Politics and Corruption has always been involved in every Legal decision.
If true, this is a very sad statement for our country and a Black Mark on the ideal of A Shining Example of Freedom and Justice we supposedly are to the world.
The Founding Fathers stated that the Constitutional Republic they created for us would only succeed if governed by a Good and Moral People. Seems to me we are anything but.


17 posted on 11/02/2022 8:23:44 PM PDT by ocrp1982
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To: LVS1

Interesting. Maybe so…


18 posted on 11/02/2022 8:25:53 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: grundle

I usually fall 100% with Alito, but that is an absolute. If a man is innocent, or a law he was convicted under is ruled unconstitutional or something, he MUST be released.
It’s depraved to keep him locked up because it could inconvenience the state.
He should know better.


19 posted on 11/02/2022 8:31:43 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: ocrp1982

That’s an excellent point.


20 posted on 11/02/2022 11:40:57 PM PDT by grundle
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