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The White Specks in This Image Aren't Stars or Galaxies. They're Black Holes
Science Alert ^ | 23 February 2023 | ByMICHELLE STARR

Posted on 02/23/2023 12:56:12 PM PST by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger

Have we witnessed a black hole swallowing a black hole?


21 posted on 02/23/2023 1:22:25 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (We are not fit to live free but must be enslaved to control the chaos of our unfettered appetites.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

yes................


22 posted on 02/23/2023 1:23:11 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Gravitational waves reveal unprecedented collision of heavy and light black holes
Wobbly black hole merger adds another confirmation for Albert Einstein’s theory of gravity
18 APR 2020 BY ADRIAN CHO
https://www.science.org/content/article/gravitational-waves-reveal-unprecedented-collision-heavy-and-light-black-holes


23 posted on 02/23/2023 1:30:10 PM PST by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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To: adorno

The distance between each of those lights is probably 1000000+ light years.

As the points represent the supermassive singularity in the center of a galaxy, that is around 300,000 light years represented by each point.


24 posted on 02/23/2023 1:41:41 PM PST by Axenolith (WWG1WGA!)
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To: Red Badger

Where do black holes go the day after Thanksgiving?


25 posted on 02/23/2023 1:45:43 PM PST by Track9 (You are far too inquisitive not to be seduced…)
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To: Red Badger

Some time ago I speculated that the underlying elements in Einstein’s equations could be said to indicate that dimensionality and thus the speed of light is an expression of time in a domain of discrete energy (where different points in space are also different points in space-time, which would move time as a force creating dimensionality and not a mundane dimension itself into a sort of ether-like aspect of existence) *** that the implications of the idea for the possibility of true vacuum (dimensionality with no mass) or true hypermass (mass with no dimensionality) lend themselves to innumerable little big bangs rather than one big bang and at the time I predicted that that should give the universe a kinda swiss cheese structure where concentrations of galaxies surrounded large relatively empty areas.

That of course did not match up to what I understood 1980s astronomers were observing of the physical universe so my fun pretty much ended there.

But then such megastructures of clusters of galaxies were observed later.

So that is kinda the background for what I’m to say.

If the universe exists inside a black hole, or if you are observing super massive black holes deemed too large to possibly exist, both can be accounted for to some degree with a little big bang happening after a true hypermass is achieved anywhere in a black hole, for that results in a relatively low energy state suddenly entering a high energy state (mathematical division by zero) with no reason fir that energy to stick around.

In a vacuum this would create matter coalesced from the abundant energy, violently lowering the energy state back down again.

In a black hole the reverse would be true, dimensionality would erupt within the black hole causing it to fluff up, appearing larger, but the substance of the black hole itself would remain everywhere around this dimensionality and its effects would be felt even if it could not be seen.

To an outsider such a black hole would appear larger than it should, inferred from its event horizon, and to a race with our limited understanding, since we infer mass from size even though that may not always be accurate and we just haven’t found that out yet, the black hole seems super massive.

And, yes, in a universe with a black hole we get to potential “it’s turtles all the way down” condition which is very different than my old pondering about a universe that is ultimately in near vacuum rather than near hypermass as in this post.

*** conversely matter is the organization of that discrete energy into structure through forces (including gravity and various nuclear forces) that occupies more dimensionality (volume) than the unstructured energy would possess. ... I postulated that (unimaginatively named) “proto gravity” and “proto time” were not different but characterized by fields with different spin interacting with each other in some kind of dimensional existence below and beyond our space time (the universe being ultimately structured from fewer dimensions, my protos were two dimensional and their spins one, and only falling apart and losing information as more and more dimensions heap up).

... and, no, I was not doing drugs....


26 posted on 02/23/2023 2:00:29 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

Great thoughts.

However, all of this pales in comparison to the high Technology that aliens have used to send hot air balloons across the vastness of many light years from here.


27 posted on 02/23/2023 2:05:46 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Reagan Conservative: Economic Freedom, Peace through Strength, American Values- De Oppresso Liber)
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They have to use balloons because their enviros will not let them use Space Utility Vehicles.


28 posted on 02/23/2023 2:08:27 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: adorno
"That’s too many dots for interstellar travelers to avoid."

"Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy!"

29 posted on 02/23/2023 2:12:03 PM PST by Flag_This
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"Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy!"
Boy???

BTW, I'm completely aware of the distance between stars and galaxies and 'black' holes. I'm a space buff. It's my favorite science, astronomy.

I was just trying to be silly, and some people can't understand such things without the sarcasm tag attached.
30 posted on 02/23/2023 2:25:07 PM PST by adorno
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To: adorno

It’s a Han Solo quote, from Star Wars.


31 posted on 02/23/2023 2:28:23 PM PST by Flag_This
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To: Axenolith
The distance between each of those lights is probably 1000000+ light years.

As the points represent the supermassive singularity in the center of a galaxy, that is around 300,000 light years represented by each point.


I'm completely aware of the distance between stars and galaxies and 'black' holes. I'm a space buff. It's my favorite science, astronomy.

I was just trying to be silly, and some people can't understand such things without the sarcasm tag attached.
32 posted on 02/23/2023 2:28:33 PM PST by adorno
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To: Flag_This
It’s a Han Solo quote, from Star Wars.

I gave up on Star Wars light years ago.
33 posted on 02/23/2023 2:37:22 PM PST by adorno
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To: Jim W N

We not only live in a fallen world, we live in a fallen universe.

Only by God’s grace and mercy are we not sucked up by those black holes to disappear forever...

Lucifer was in charge of the universe which tuned dark when Lucifer (Satan) fell.

A friend of mine said he sees the stars as little pinholes with light shining through from the other side from Heaven. I thought that was kind of neat.


“A friend of mine said he sees the stars as little pinholes with light shining through from the other side from Heaven. I thought that was kind of neat.”

Really interesting way to think about it - pretty cool.


34 posted on 02/23/2023 3:29:26 PM PST by Faith65 (Isaiah 40:31 )
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To: Jim W N; Faith65

An Inuit proverb:

Perhaps they are not stars, but openings in Heaven where the love of our lost ones pours through and shines down upon us, to let us know they are happy.


35 posted on 02/23/2023 4:53:13 PM PST by telescope115 (My feet are on the ground, and my head is in the stars.)
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To: Migraine

That may be the case. Remember, these black holes are millions of light years away. This means what is being observed is the state of things millions of years ago. We cannot know what is going on now; it’s quite possible that over those millions of years, these black holes have cleared most matter from the surrounding volume of space


36 posted on 02/23/2023 5:26:00 PM PST by stremba
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To: Flag_This

A Nerd Moment: the boast Solo makes about the Falcon making a run in so many parsecs — a measurement of distance rather than time — is explained in Star Wars canon that hyperspace travel is not in a straight line, but hyperspace routes follow convoluted paths to avoid things like gravity wells. So taking a shorter route than others is bragging, for shorter is not only faster it speaks of superior navigational skill and special knowledge.

The joke is that it is not Han or even entirely the Falcon that makes this possible but Chewie whom we are elsewhere told was a member of a secretive Wookie navigation guild which had mapped out routes unknown to many, even unknown to the Jedi. This presumably my account for C3P0 commenting that the navigation computer has a very unusual accent.

This has been a Nerd Moment.


37 posted on 02/23/2023 5:26:05 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

Now that you mention it, I vaguely remember someone saying that making the Kessel run in parsecs was a goof. Thanks for the deeper explanation!


38 posted on 02/23/2023 5:44:15 PM PST by Flag_This
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To: Flag_This

Goofs have to be explained as not being goofs, so eventually people who had a bit longer to think about the science-y-ness of the stories came up with rather better explanations that Lucas ever considered ... and they also came up with midocholorians ... well, can’t win them all.


39 posted on 02/23/2023 5:47:27 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne
Midocholorians. Turned the Force into something you could catch in a public restroom.

Oh, and Han shot first.

40 posted on 02/23/2023 6:12:13 PM PST by Flag_This
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