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‘It was the wrong choice’: Retired ATF agents question commander’s decision to raid Mt. Carmel; adamant Branch Davidians fired first
kwtx ^ | Feb. 28, 2023 | Gordon Collier

Posted on 03/01/2023 3:42:27 PM PST by PROCON

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To: AAABEST

Friendly fire.


41 posted on 03/01/2023 5:10:07 PM PST by arthurus (covfefe )-I()
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To: Hatteras

The Bidenoids have not had groups of people massacred. Yet. It is probably coming, though.


42 posted on 03/01/2023 5:11:47 PM PST by arthurus (covfefe )_()
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To: Lurker

Agreed.

Still trying to make it the victims fault.

Karesh (sp) was crazy and probably evil.

But this was nothing more than a war on Christians. Going after fringe groups was easier to justiy.


43 posted on 03/01/2023 5:17:09 PM PST by dirtymac ( Now Is The Time For All Good Men To ComeTo The Aid Of Their Country! NOW) )
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To: Rowdyone

A courtroom could easily have settled any legal questions—Koresh could have been detained/arrested any time he visited town.

The feds had to conduct a propaganda war to try to justify refusing to make the common sense move.


44 posted on 03/01/2023 5:17:13 PM PST by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: PROCON

The door.


45 posted on 03/01/2023 5:27:01 PM PST by karnage
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To: Rowdyone

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46 posted on 03/01/2023 5:30:36 PM PST by Scrambler Bob
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To: dfwgator

I voted for old Ross, even have a t-shirt with Ross for boss on it.


47 posted on 03/01/2023 5:30:49 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: PROCON; All

Anyone know of any worth while documentaries on this. My wife doesn’t know anything about it and I remember there was some accurate documentaries.


48 posted on 03/01/2023 5:30:59 PM PST by Romans Nine
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To: PROCON

“They said the raid was more than a search warrant looking for illegal weapons. It was about stopping an unstable and unpredictable cult leader.”

It’s easy to perpetuate the story when you murdered all the Branch Davidians.


49 posted on 03/01/2023 5:35:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (It's science and therefore cannot be questioned!)
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To: Romans Nine; E. Pluribus Unum
Another FReeper posted this earlier:

https://youtu.be/pOW6UbAVs8A

50 posted on 03/01/2023 5:42:53 PM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: PROCON

Carlos Ghigliotti, expert on FLIR, died mysteriously while investigating Waco.

The BDs were almost out of water. Curious that the feds couldn’t wait another few days.

The feds used CS gas, which was forbidden.

Rachel Sylvia perished at the age of 12.


51 posted on 03/01/2023 5:51:20 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: dfwgator
They could have grabbed Koresh at anytime when he went into town.

This. Koresh also went jogging daily and could have been nabbed easily without incident. The Feds wanted a confrontation and to make an example of his movement.
53 posted on 03/01/2023 5:57:49 PM PST by SlipperySlope99
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To: PROCON

Koresh went jogging at 7AM every morning outside the compound. they could have got him alone anytime. but they needed to grandstand. Jamet Reno needed to show she had a penis...


54 posted on 03/01/2023 6:01:05 PM PST by sit-rep ( )
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To: SlipperySlope99

beat me by 4 mins!!


55 posted on 03/01/2023 6:03:53 PM PST by sit-rep ( )
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To: dfwgator

“They could have grabbed Koresh at anytime when he went into town.”

The FBI media relations woman dragged he media with them and filled them in on the operation in advance.

It was gonna be a tacticool takedown of some hillbilly bible-thumpers.


56 posted on 03/01/2023 6:11:46 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: arthurus

No doubt various scenarios are being considered.


57 posted on 03/01/2023 6:22:43 PM PST by wally_bert (I cannot be sure for certain, but in my personal opinion I am certain that I am not sure.)
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To: Lurker

I remember the number 1 expert who was running film with an eye towards the FLIR tech, and analyzing it. He was around 40 years old, died from a heart attack, and the film was never analyzed. Not only did the FBI shoot first, they were firing from the helicopters.


58 posted on 03/01/2023 6:24:58 PM PST by Glad2bnuts ("People who didn't take take the Jab have -0- regrets, those who did may be SADS.)
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To: dfwgator

No. Buchanan. This would still be a country if Pat had been elected.


59 posted on 03/01/2023 6:27:44 PM PST by TTFlyer (Lenin: that by the infliction of terror, a well-organized minority can conquer a nation.)
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To: PROCON
“The tactical commander made a choice, and it was the wrong choice, and it cost four agents and six Branch Davidians their lives,” the agents said.

No comment.

60 posted on 03/01/2023 6:36:34 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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